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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

When you see reports of Kissinger and Brezinski trying to help politicians in Ukraine in 2004, you are seeing modern Fascism in action.

“New details keep emerging as U.S. and Ukrainian officials piece together Manafort's contacts and payments in Ukraine from 2004 to 2014.”

 
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That's some antiquated ****. But I'm a bit confused. Search radar are the ones that spin in a circle and look all around for anything and everything. Fire Control radar points directly at a target and provides very specific positioning info to the Fire Control computer which then determines an intercept point, AKA the Fire Control Solution, and indicates such to the Fire Control tech who then tells the Tactical Action Officer that they have "Birds Affirmed" and he then gives permission to fire or not. When a fire control radar system has a target that what is commonly referred to as being "locked on" or "missile lock."

On AEGIS ships they use a unique phased array radar system that can provide Fire Control quality radar info for well over 100 targets at a time. They can also fire many missiles simultaneously at multiple targets at a time. One AEGIS can even use the radar info from another friendly AEGIS to fire missiles or request to use their missiles to fire on a target they've identified.

It's ridiculous how much better the U.S. Navy is compared to its rivals.
I guess US Navy has much more motivated staff? I.e better discipline and i hope, that everything is working condition not only on the document but also in real life.
If you look what the Russian soldiers stole north of Kyev, then should they have a chance - then they would find plenty of stuff from a perfectly working US Navy ship :cool: . Tiny piece from one place and another from another not so noticable location. As long as you steal as much as is your quota and you do not steal from the wrong person/object, then nothing happens. I.e rookies can steal only one roll of a toilet paper per month :), officers can steal little bit more.
 

“New details keep emerging as U.S. and Ukrainian officials piece together Manafort's contacts and payments in Ukraine from 2004 to 2014.”

Amazing. "Trumps Man in Kiev" worked for the opponents of Fascism in Ukraine. Great.

Pretty sure there was competition on either side, among people with bribes looking for bribees to get influence/. Hillary took bribes from Russia and gave them uranium mines in the USA. Hunter took bribes from I think the mayor of Moscow, perhaps one of Putin's inside opposition Hunter and Joe took bribes from the anti-Russian Ukranian oligarch who helped Soros fund the Nazi, if you can belie3ve insignia and flags and such but probgably ideological fascist for sure, along with Zelensky. So This is how we get into wars now. We pick sides and take bribes. Great.

I've been looking for reliable information on Ukraine's ethnic divide. It looks like 6 Millian ethnic Russians moved to Russia fr4om Ukraine after 2014. Plus about 1.5 Million Ukranians who went to Russia for work. Migration back and forth for family or work reason has been pretty high for decades.

About 30% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian m mostly in the east and a few pockets where Communists sent p3eople to work in factories before the USSR collapse.

Odessa, like Mariupol apparently has been tunneled so extensively, and probably other cities as well, particularly under kindergarten and hospital and theatrae. The steel m9ills as well. Ukranian forces made this their idea of defense, hide behind something jthat could be televised as an outrage or something.

But like I've said before, Putin is not an idealistic American with notions of inalienable human rights, but neither is Zelensky. We should have been happy to just pull our troops out of Europe and Korea, another corrupt hellhole. I'm not an isolationist. I just don't think the UN or NATO are any more honorable than Russia or China, which is saying a helluva lot.

Look at our jpolitics at home. You wnat this to rule the damn world?

I think we signaled Putin, and he bit on the bait, like we did Saddam Hussein in regards to Kuwait. We have people in our top- flight who can hardly sit still unless there's a war somewhere we can fight, for no good reason. Oil, maybe.

If Putih falls, or Russia collapses, I expect China will take Korea and Taiwan. Chinese supremacy and all. And Siberia east of Kazakistan.

If we had decent leadership, we could have brought Russia into Western alliance. At a very small price of just a little reasonable respect.

By the way, Eastern Europe has pretty strong opposition to all the middle eastern refugees, and that is stoking the real Nazi rebirth there. Probably a factor inside Russia too.

Partof the reason I don't see Putin or anyone else capable of reuniting the old USSR now. I used to think it was a fake breakup that would mend itslef after a while, what with all the Russians sent to work in those areas by the old commie bosses. It was intended to make a permanent colonization possible.
 
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So wait, Putin is Nationalist but Zelensky is Nazi? Dude... seriously. Stop it.
Well… yeah it sounds stupid when you put it THAT way LOL

But when you start off as Babe has done with an end in mind, you just have to keep posting and posting no matter what the facts say or how dumb your arguments become.
 
Well… yeah it sounds stupid when you put it THAT way LOL

But when you start off as Babe has done with an end in mind, you just have to keep posting and posting no matter what the facts say or how dumb your arguments become.
I see you know a lot about ignoring facts, or making them up to suit the cause. But it's silly of you to do this kind of pointing and name-calling. You're everything to decry in others.l

In my little dictionary , a NAZi is an authoritarian socialist like Hitler, who may or may not be marginalizing and systematically suppressing an ethnic, religious or other group that seems to be a problem to the regime. It might often involve some brand of supremacist or notion that one's own group is superior to others. In Hitler's case the term is an extreme of the genre. Mussolini was generally regarded as a "Fascist", the Japanese in WWII and before had some elements of supremacist ideals. I would call them "fascist" but not specifically "NAZI"

Today's Xi in China is a racist who believes the Han ethnic Chinese are the greatest people with the natural destiny to rule the world. Ou Hollywood and business elites seem OK with that as long as the cash flow is good. But in truth, our elites are fascist, and perhaps the worst sort. It's not just a few smaller groups they believe are a problem that needs a solution, but the whole damn world, everyone........ The unwashed masses who can't be left to mind their own business because they don't vote right, work hard enough, ask for too much pay, and want to drive cars anywhere the wind blows.

There are conservative socialists who love Government as their favorite tool, their plan A as it were, for building monopolies and cartels and eliminating nuisance competition. They donate to political candidates with big cheesy smiles, and keep in touch when their man is elected. They make politicians out of comedians and actors who can dance to hot music.

Trump has a deranged syndrome of believing "America" is great, and that we can make great deals with anyone.

He came so close to getting Zelensky to turn on his oligarchic TV network owner, it scared Washington *****ess. And that's a lot of ****. He might have got Biden indicted for taking bribes that might have gotten us into useless foreign wars.
 
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In 1898 the United States went to war with Spain over a ship called "The Maine". We had headlines in NY rags "Remember the Maine". Teddy Roosevelt did a sort of Zelensky PR show, the Rough Riders. The Port of Stockton has a historic monument about it or something.

I was reading the tales of Utah soldiers who went to the Philippines. We "helped" the filipino freedom fighters, then we fought them until the place was ours. We took Cuba and then we set up Fidel Castro for no good reason.

In 1970 we had a stooge Ferdinand Marcos sitting as our Man in Manila pretty much like we want Zelensky to be our Man in Kiev. We always pick losers, then we fight stupid wars for no good reason, and lose the wars. In Afghanistan we left our people behind in the ditches, more or less.

When you hear our Press braying for war, don't listen. Run. Fight the stupidity if you can. But don't go and try to be a hero. It's not your war.
 
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There’s a lot of space between America doing nothing and America going to war in Russia. Haven’t seen anyone in our media advocate for war with Russia. I have seen plenty advocate for aid to Ukraine.

Then again, if you have an end already set then I can see you maintaining your argument no matter how absurd it is.
 
There’s a lot of space between America doing nothing and America going to war in Russia. Haven’t seen anyone in our media advocate for war with Russia. I have seen plenty advocate for aid to Ukraine.

Then again, if you have an end already set then I can see you maintaining your argument no matter how absurd it is.
We haven't done any declared war in years. Not Korea, Not Vietnam, Not Iraq, Not Afghanistan, Not Ukraine.

Deep State agencies, including armed services, operate on general permissive grants nobody checks.

Within that system, we can and do actually have personnel, maybe not in uniform, on the ground where ever they are sent. We move weapons in a lot of different ways, without advertisement.

In this case, most of the world sees Ukraine as a US/Russia proxy war. Most of the world sees us that way, unless we bribe them or somehow influence them to smile and be nice.
 
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Some really good articles by people who actually know what they’re talking about



One interesting point to keep in mind

What, exactly, spurs the dysfunction at the heart of Russian society is a long argument for another day. Whether you blame the Mongols, or the Tsars, or the Communists is, at this point, irrelevant. (Although I will say that the charge that NATO expansion goaded Putin into his wars of aggression is noxious poppycock
 
Some really good articles by people who actually know what they’re talking about



One interesting point to keep in mind
We would do better to discuss the problems in the psychology of The City of London.

Russia has never been "secure" in any sense. The vast Siberian wilderness is hardly the best habitable land, and the mountains to the south have been notoriously where Empires go to die. But then, Ghengis Khan and others have swept across Russia from there, anyway. The West is hardly a defensible frontier, mostly plains . Ukraine has probably had the worst of all that. Britain and the Ottoman Empire united against Russia to push territorial gains. Kiev, Odessa, even Mariupol and many other Ukrainian city centers were actually founded as Russian outposts across an area very similar in some basics with Russia, but highly tribalistic or perhaps, better said, wanting local autonomy, Slavic nature, really. No settled agreements on who's the boss of whom. For a thousand years.

Britain could hardly be called "secure" either. Lots of highly localized populations.

One thing both have in common is the Vikings. Moscow was settled by Vikings as a portage location between rivers flowing to both the Baltic and the Black seas.

Of course any good Brit will call any nuisance fact "poppycock".

18 Mar 2022
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa has blamed NATO for the war in Ukraine and said he would resist calls to condemn Russia, in comments that cast doubt over whether he would be accepted by Ukraine or the West as a mediator.
Ramaphosa, who was speaking on Thursday in parliament, said: “The war could have been avoided if NATO had heeded the warnings from amongst its own leaders and officials over the years that its eastward expansion would lead to greater, not less, instability in the region.”


The Donbas region was settled Russian, with control challenged by the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) in alliance with Britain in the 1800s. Russia has a better territorial claim there than China has over Formosa (Taiwan). Joe Biden knew that when he said, ala Madelaine Albright re Kuwait, that it would be alright if Russia took a "little piece" of "Ukraine".

I think that during the breakup of the USSR, it would have been better to have made Luhansk and Donbas separate countries then. It was Khrushchev who in 1954 moved those Oblasts into Ukraine administration. Even so, there are huge ethnic populations of "Ukrainians" who went into Russia for work or other reasons, and it's a huge disappointment to me to see a war like this between people who do share so much in common. It might be painted like the USA and Britain, where even after two hundred years there's more in common than different. They would be natural allies in many cases if attacked from outside.

But in the present time, foreign interests have bought off and partitioned the region through corrupt deals. I don't know if Trump can really read faces when he's talking to people, but lets just say it was a good idea to negotiate the problems then. Zelensky owes his place in history to his corruption in the service of Ukranian billionaires with ties to the West.

People used to say it was the Devil who divides humanity and causes wars. Maybe we can now start bringing it more into reality, and say it's money. Maybe money with names on it like Zuckerberg, Soros, Biden, Clinton, a bunch of Brits. Well, sure. Putin too.

Putin rose in Russian politics precisely because he loved the USSR and considered it a catastrophe that it broke up. Humpty Dumpty and all that. Without a Federal notion like our "sovereign" States, I don't think it can ever really be pieced back together. A "Mother Russia" with vassal states is not anything people could love. Local governance is the best way to address most issues in life.

But a UN governance is no better.
 
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We would do better to discuss the problems in the psychology of The City of London.

Russia has never been "secure" in any sense. The vast Siberian wilderness is hardly the best habitable land, and the mountains to the south have been notoriously where Empires go to die. But then, Ghengis Khan and others have swept across Russia from there, anyway. The West is hardly a defensible frontier, mostly plains . Ukraine has probably had the worst of all that. Britain and the Ottoman Empire united against Russia to push territorial gains. Kiev, Odessa, even Mariupol and many other Ukrainian city centers were actually founded as Russian outposts across an area very similar in some basics with Russia, but highly tribalistic or perhaps, better said, wanting local autonomy, Slavic nature, really. No settled agreements on who's the boss of whom. For a thousand years.

Britain could hardly be called "secure" either. Lots of highly localized populations.

One thing both have in common is the Vikings. Moscow was settled by Vikings as a portage location between rivers flowing to both the Baltic and the Black seas.

Of course any good Brit will call any nuisance fact "poppycock".

18 Mar 2022
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa has blamed NATO for the war in Ukraine and said he would resist calls to condemn Russia, in comments that cast doubt over whether he would be accepted by Ukraine or the West as a mediator.
Ramaphosa, who was speaking on Thursday in parliament, said: “The war could have been avoided if NATO had heeded the warnings from amongst its own leaders and officials over the years that its eastward expansion would lead to greater, not less, instability in the region.”


The Donbas region was settled Russian, with control challenged by the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) in alliance with Britain in the 1800s. Russia has a better territorial claim there than China has over Formosa (Taiwan). Joe Biden knew that when he said, ala Madelaine Albright re Kuwait, that it would be alright if Russia took a "little piece" of "Ukraine".

I think that during the breakup of the USSR, it would have been better to have made Luhansk and Donbas separate countries then. It was Khrushchev who in 1954 moved those Oblasts into Ukraine administration. Even so, there are huge ethnic populations of "Ukrainians" who went into Russia for work or other reasons, and it's a huge disappointment to me to see a war like this between people who do share so much in common. It might be painted like the USA and Britain, where even after two hundred years there's more in common than different. They would be natural allies in many cases if attacked from outside.

But in the present time, foreign interests have bought off and partitioned the region through corrupt deals. I don't know if Trump can really read faces when he's talking to people, but lets just say it was a good idea to negotiate the problems then. Zelensky owes his place in history to his corruption in the service of Ukranian billionaires with ties to the West.

People used to say it was the Devil who divides humanity and causes wars. Maybe we can now start bringing it more into reality, and say it's money. Maybe money with names on it like Zuckerberg, Soros, Biden, Clinton, a bunch of Brits. Well, sure. Putin too.

Putin rose in Russian politics precisely because he loved the USSR and considered it a catastrophe that it broke up. Humpty Dumpty and all that. Without a Federal notion like our "sovereign" States, I don't think it can ever really be pieced back together. A "Mother Russia" with vassal states is not anything people could love. Local governance is the best way to address most issues in life.

But a UN governance is no better.


Just more unspooled bull ****
 
Just more unspooled bull ****
baseless opinions you can't discuss on the merits. I do have the case here, you have nothing but personal attacks or such idiotic opinions without any facts, real or imagined.

Somewhere you fell off the education wagon, for whatever that could ever have been worth where educators are increasingly statist propagandist or ideological purveyors of state or partisan beliefs, without any factual base at that.

Some of the advocates for statism in here will at the least quote3 or refer to other blinded advocates for their cause.

I assert that the cause you advocate draws on the contemporary "statist" authoritarians who believe the world hangs in the balance on several asserted crises. Overpopulation. Environment or pollution, exhaustion of critical resources. impending climate catastrophes or contested claims to governance.

My post above contests the claims of the various persons for global leadership. NATO verses Russian, China vs. USA/UK.

I think this is going to be an increasing conflict all across the world. Settled leadership of Western nations such as the EU, British Commonwealth/USA is being contested, some say. Some believe it's "Chinas Turn" to take the main leadership. Some think even so, we should at least have a "containment" circle around China to deter aggression. Some think that the Ukraine War is purposed, maybe "proxy", and driven by NATO/EU/US geopolitical strategy versus Putin's own expansionist strategy.

I think Zelensky is the wrong man to be in the middle. Not even his own man, nor his people's advocate. Just a pawn dancing to Western music. With or without high heels.

If you want to discuss the issues on the merits, you could be a constructive participant.
 
It is entirely possible there is an issue between Russia and Ukraine that is real and has nothing to do with the Rockefellers or British banking or the UN or NATO that is the driving force behind Putin invading.

It is also possible that at the exact same time the U.S., NATO and international mega corporations have an interest in maintaining a world in which larger nations are not allowed to invade smaller nations just because they can. There doesn't need to be an altruistic motive behind it and it doesn't need to be some convoluted conspiracy. It's just bad for business.

So if Ukraine doesn't want to be conquered and the U.S./NATO/International mega corps have an interest in seeing Russia's efforts fail then you have a very simple situation in which Ukraine will get aid from those parties who would prefer Russia fail.

It isn't even very complicated, but babe can't help to see Rockefellers under every stone and behind every bush because he is old and his brain is slow and he can't comprehend the actual world he lives in anymore and desperately wants to believe he has relevant things to add to the conversation.
 
Just read a story, the Russians are alleging that British SAS operators are assisting and directing Ukraine Special Forces in sabotage operations. Not the least bit shocked
 
Just read a story, the Russians are alleging that British SAS operators are assisting and directing Ukraine Special Forces in sabotage operations. Not the least bit shocked
I know that 2 chemical plants, a military base, and 2 oil refineries (which mostly supply Europe) have been set on fire/destroyed) in the last week. Are these the ops you're talking about?
 
I know that 2 chemical plants, a military base, and 2 oil refineries (which mostly supply Europe) have been set on fire/destroyed) in the last week. Are these the ops you're talking about?

The article said they Russians believe the SAS are operating out of Lviv. My guess is they were probably behind the attack on the Russian flag ship, probably not directly nut they likely planned and directed it. When you think about it, its hard to believe they would not have been present when you consider that Boris Johnson got a Eurail pass for a weekend and showed up in Kyiv. What a loss he would have been if the Russians got him?
 
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