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The year KOC ruined the Jazz

oldtimer said:
D will>cp3

I don't give KOC much credit for signing Jefferson (a great signing). That trade fell right into his lap when Kahn gave away Jefferson for salary cap room. Any GM after losing Boozer, Mathews and Korver would have said yes to taking on Jefferson. It was a no brainer, perfect for KOC.

Signing Bell was nice, but may not have been required if KOC would have just gave Mathews a five year 25 million dollar offer at 12:01 instead of waiting for Portland to set the market.

Now KOC is playing games with Fes. Eventually Fes will sign the one year tender for a million and is agents will be pissed. They are seeking a multi-year deal around 2 million per year. I'd give Fess a three year six million contract today. He's 23 with upside. Next year we lose Fes because KOC is not as good at his job as everyone thinks.

When you have a player seeking max money that is when you let other teams set the market. When you have a young up and coming player with potential like Mathews and Fes you should be proactive not reactive.

For example, Andray Blatche just signed a new contract when he still had 2 years left on his deal. KOC would never do this.
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Yeah, how come KOC doesn't think more progressively like the Washington Wizards?
 
Numberica

I been watching summer league ball for years and actually attended the first Rocky Mountain review games. I don't get too excited about summer league. Now I did watch every single summer league game Hayward played and didn't get excited. I see a lot of people overreacting to box scores. Hayward played timid on offense. He got a lot of points at the end of games shooting foul shots.

You are right not to take away too much from summer league because it can be deceiving, but I know whether a guy can play by watching summer league. Sanders can play in this league.
 
Hearsky

I knew somebody would bag on Washington when I made the comment. With all their problems they are an easy target. Say what you will signing Blatche to a cheap five year extension was smart.
 
This is the sort of **** that makes Jazzfanz unbearable to read.

Swinging from one emotional extreme to another, I guess it is the American way.
 
oldtimer said:
Numberica

I been watching summer league ball for years and actually attended the first Rocky Mountain review games. I don't get too excited about summer league. Now I did watch every single summer league game Hayward played and didn't get excited. I see a lot of people overreacting to box scores. Hayward played timid on offense. He got a lot of points at the end of games shooting foul shots.

You are right not to take away too much from summer league because it can be deceiving, but I know whether a guy can play by watching summer league. Sanders can play in this league.
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Well then, maybe you should be the GM. Put your resume in and see what happens.
 
oldtimer said:
Hearsky

I knew somebody would bag on Washington when I made the comment. With all their problems they are an easy target. Say what you will signing Blatche to a cheap five year extension was smart.
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I am not bagging on the Wizards franchise, for being a small market that probably shouldn't even have an NBA franchise, they have a stellar track record. The Jazz on the other hand.....
 
slappfisk

I was going to respond but I was too busy crying over how bad KOC has been for a proper reply. I am just so emotional.
 
Slappfisk said:
This is the sort of **** that makes Jazzfanz unbearable to read.

Swinging from one emotional extreme to another, I guess it is the American way.
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3/4 of the american population cant formulate their own opinion. They believe the first set of opinion they read.


According to wins produced:

Diaw produced 2.2 wins last season
AK produced 7.74 wins last season.

About 5 games difference lol
 
NUMBERICA said:
And as far as Matthews is concerned, the Jazz have done everything right. Matthews wasn't worth even what you were offering and even still, you never bid against yourself (that's kind of the first rule when you hold cards in negotiations). Just because Portland made one of the most retarded decisions of the offseason doesn't mean that the Jazz did anything wrong.

Also, Fesenko is an idiot and his agent is an *******. The Jazz are doing what they should there as well.

In summary; you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.
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what you said
 
oldtimer said:
First the jazz drafted Elder Hayward, a guy with very limited lateral movement instead of Larry Sanders.

Now a trade of AK for Diaw. Bad, very bad. If this trade goes down the Jazz lose at least 5 more games than last year. Check the per stats between Boris and AK. Its not even close. That was before Diaw discovered french pastries and became the pillbury diawboy over the summer.

Say it with me people. Say No to Diaw.
We want Gerald Wallace if we are going to trade AK.
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Sorry, it's hard for me to get too worked up over the trade for the 4th best player on a team who will miss 20 or so games at one point in the season. I'm not a huge fan of the trade, but I hardly see the sky falling.

And I like the Hayward pick. But I liked the Kirk Snyder pick, so what do I know.
 
oldtimer said:
Chad its clear you don't value AK as much as I do. But just because you can't get Wallace doesn't mean you give up and take any fat piece of pastry eating crap. Hold out for someone better. I feel like AK for Diaw is how you feel about AK for Wallace, completely one-sided.
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To deny financials don't play any part of basketball is like sticking your head in the sand. Only a few teams, like the Yankees, Lakers and Blazers (and now Nets) have owners with extremely deep pockets. Sanders over Hayward is your personal opinion. We can't argue that because neither has played one minute of NBA basketball. You could very well be right. But I think we could all agree that Al Jefferson >>>> Sanders. KOC had been working on the Jefferson deal for over a year. I think he knew it was pretty close to being finalized when the draft took place. In fact, I think the only thing that held it up was that KOC was trying to move up and get Cousins.

So we already had a pretty good rotation at the 4/5, with Millsap, Jefferson and Okur (with Fesenko or someone else as a fill-in until Okur returns). Going into the draft, KOC knew the Matthews situation was unsettled, AK had a year left on his contract and Korver was probably going to ask for the MLE. which is way over what he's worth. So drafting a wing was a good choice. Now some would argue for George or Babbitt. Time will tell. In fact, there were probably 8-9 guys ranked pretty close from #7-#16.

As for AK, every year we keep hoping he returns to his 2004 form. And every year he plays great for 4-5 games and then gets his ankle, back or feelings hurt.

Is AK a better player than Diaw? Yes. Is AK worth keeping for 1 year for $20M? No. The deal as outlined saves $8M in salary, $8M in tax and maybe gets Utah in position for the revenue share from the league for another $4-5M. For the little you may lose, I say go ahead. In fact, I think we're going to see an AK-like performance from Evans. He'll play 10 mins and give us rebounds, blocks and hustle - something AK USED to give the Jazz.
 
AK is soft and pathetic.

He does nothing to help a team win. His defence is overrated and his shooting his a disgrace.

He is also the worst max contract player of all time.

I will throw a party if that loser gets traded.
 
that party will last five minutes until you realize that Diaw is softer, slower, fatter and much, much worse.
 
oldtimer said:
that party will last five minutes until you realize that Diaw is softer, slower, fatter and much, much worse.
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I'm sure the only friends in attendance to that party would be the five on his right and the five on his left and its a member only after party.
 
Agree that Hayward was a curious pick as was Evans for that matter. Agree on the Diaw trade, no. Having said that, I admit that KOC has done much better in the offseason than I thought he would/could. Therefore, I'm not crazy about the tone of the OP, even though I agree with a couple points.
 
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