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So looks like Boston and Philly are the top contenders for tanking. I'm actually making a list of the 16 or so contenders and summarizing off-season additions/subtractions. Thought I'd wait until at least Howard makes his decision. That could impact the list.

Your list sounds awesome. After Howard decides will you be posting it?
 
Wow I'm feeling giddy about the Jazz already this year. Remember last year when KOC made those quick moves to grab Mo, Foye and Marv????

There's been NOTHING this year SO FAR!!! Looks like they're fully committed to this "youth movement" at least for this 1 year. And like you said - they can also grab a decent player at the trade deadline and stash him away for '14/15 season when we'll "make a run".

Boy, am I excited!!

Good points re: the speed at which we grabbed Mo and traded for Marvin. And KOC did make a quick offer to Foye, although Randy waited to see if he'd get more money/years before finally signing. Lindsey keeps saying you don't skip steps in rebuilding and the longer he waits to fill out the roster - and resist signing mid-tier FA's - the more I'm hoping he's doing everything he can to help Ty develop the youth, but still finish with a top-10 draft pick. KOC deserves credit too. There's been pressure on him to make trades and sign FA's, but he held firm on having almost all contracts expire this season. Marvin was his only "mistake" and I can't really fault him; I think it was worth the risk. Besides, his contract expires at precisely the time we need salary room for Favors and Hayward.
 
Looks like GS is getting desperate to try to trade some of their overpriced vets to try to land Howard. Anyone up for trading for the expiring contracts of Biedrins or Jefferson or perhaps even Bogut and get a first round pick or perhaps someone like Klay Thompson or Barnes?
 
Looks like GS is getting desperate to try to trade some of their overpriced vets to try to land Howard. Anyone up for trading for the expiring contracts of Biedrins or Jefferson or perhaps even Bogut and get a first round pick or perhaps someone like Klay Thompson or Barnes?

I'd do it. Make the warriors give us two future first round picks. Or just Barnes.
 
Looks like GS is getting desperate to try to trade some of their overpriced vets to try to land Howard. Anyone up for trading for the expiring contracts of Biedrins or Jefferson or perhaps even Bogut and get a first round pick or perhaps someone like Klay Thompson or Barnes?

I've been saying this for a few days now... trake on Biedrins & Jefferson - then swap our '14 pick for Harrison Barnes.


I think that's a fair deal all round. Plus we forego our "tank year" and can start going for the playoffs straight away.

Burke
Hayward/Burks
Barnes
Favors
Kanter
 
I don't want to give up the 2014 pick for anything. We have no idea how good or bad this next season will be. I'd rather have a .005 shot at a top 3 pick than anything Golden State has to offer. The lottery next year is going to be stacked next year. Don't give that pick up. Make it a lottery protected 2015/2016 pick and I'm all in on a deal that brings us Harrison Barnes. I'd actually love it if they take Bogut for one year. Imagine what Favors could learn from him on the defensive side of the ball. If you can do it without giving up the pick, then all the better. Barnes would be a great asset to add to our young core. Core 4 becomes Core 6 in less than a month.

Derek Favors, Enes Kanter, Harrison Barnes, Gordon Hayward, Alec Burks and Trey Burke is a heck of a young lineup moving forward. Plus tge Jazz own Bird rights to all of them. if an elite star emerges, all the better. You take on the salary and make it happen. Then Golden State still has assets to move another expiring to the Hawks or Mavs.
 
I've been saying this for a few days now... trake on Biedrins & Jefferson - then swap our '14 pick for Harrison Barnes.


I think that's a fair deal all round. Plus we forego our "tank year" and can start going for the playoffs straight away.

Burke
Hayward/Burks
Barnes
Favors
Kanter

Stop! We are not giving up the pick in 2014! We could pretend to give it to them but it would need to be lottery protected! Or even top 20 protected!
 
So looks like Boston and Philly are the top contenders for tanking. I'm actually making a list of the 16 or so contenders and summarizing off-season additions/subtractions. Thought I'd wait until at least Howard makes his decision. That could impact the list.

I disagree about Boston doing an all out tank job. They might lose a bunch of games but they have a few things going against them that they could win too many games. Those three things are:

Rondo
Brad Stevens
Playing in the East

Need I say more?
 
I've been saying this for a few days now... trake on Biedrins & Jefferson - then swap our '14 pick for Harrison Barnes.


I think that's a fair deal all round. Plus we forego our "tank year" and can start going for the playoffs straight away.

Burke
Hayward/Burks
Barnes
Favors
Kanter

I would take that deal if the pick was top 10ish protected. the only other issue i have is trying to keep that team together...
 
I'd do it. Make the warriors give us two future first round picks. Or just Barnes.

Warriors will give us a sweetener to take on Biedrens or Jefferson, but no way in hell they add Barnes or 2 future firsts.

I think adding just 1 future first will incline the jazz to accept. Remember, our salary cap is only 25 mil this year, and we have to get to 52 mil or else we have to pay the league. We should want to take on expirings to fill it up.
 
I would take that deal if the pick was top 10ish protected. the only other issue i have is trying to keep that team together...

Not even close. Bogut is always injured. Beidrins and Jefferson are garbage. Why swap picks for Barnes? He needs to be the bonus for taking on the expiring contracts. He was a #7 pick. We'd still likely miss the playoffs and give them a lottery pick. Heck, even the 16th might be the equivalent of Barnes in next year's draft. Not even two future firsts from GS is enough, as with Howard/Curry they easily have one of the top-4 teams in the WC; picks would be in the mid to late 20's.
 
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