What's new

Time to get rid of the embarrassment that is Mike Lee

`Not your privilege to create a language of your own. No political agenda wonk has that kind of tyranny, really. I suppose your idea of a "centrist" has more to do with Lee being on the earth rather than the center of the sun.

what people think might give you some support, but here in Utah Lee doesn't rock so many boats as you might think. You are of course imagining that a socialist revolution is the definition of of a "centrist' today.

Who are you to speak of garbage. You give nothing to support your analysis/. Red at least quotes the wholly-owned media and some college fakes who write crap pulled outta their asses,.

So I know the game here, and generally I see no hope of actually moving anyone at all. That is the nature of things when even intelligent human beings check their conscience at the door and embrace a political ideology to the extent of becoming a political activists, or believer. It's like a religion. It's like you have someone telling you what to think.

I gave a sort of breakdown of the way I figure Mike Lee to be a centrist. Lee was a devoted Republican after he beat Bennet out in the old Caucus nomination system. He moved from expressing conservative things towards the center to win the general. Almost all RINO republicans do that. He holds "town meetings" on public forums where he listens to people and mostly gushingly agrees with whatever they say. Rarely he dabbles in principles he has pulled outta his take on the Constitution.

Ted Cruz has to say more conservative stuff to satisfy his constituents, but means them less than Lee does. Neither would have done a tenth of what Trump did to rock the boat.

From a popular or general public take on what is "centrist", here's a few things I think over 70% of Americans want......Less obnoxious regulations, less central government or any government power of their business or their lives, less wonk or propaganda in education, less gtobalism, more America First. Most Americans want a good border system that doesn't feed the gangs/cartels working the crossings. Control of drugs and human trafficking. Verifiable modes of voting in elections. Freedom for democrat house members and senate members to vote the interesrts of the home folks,m less party pressure, more reason,.

Whatever else you can say about Trump, he did a lot that most Americans approve of, and it's gonna cost a hellava lot of moolah for the "interests' to keep buying the elections.

Democrats are gonna be talking the good old talk, but of course without meaning it. People are tired of being lied to by media news, politicians and fake "scienctists" like Fauci. Dems are losing their base. Their minds went a while ago with the agenda crap.
Donald Trump lost to a man who isn't even all there. He ran against a literal piece of wood and lost so no, I'd say a lot of Americans hated the man pretty adamantly. Mike Lee is not centrist, his voting record proves it. You want to call him centrist because his rhetoric isn't as bad as some of the worst human beings among us, that doesn't make him centrist. His votes show he's an extremist. All you show in this post is what a partisan hack you are. Of course you like Trump/Lee, you're every bit as delusional and gross as they are. Let me guess climate change is a "hoax" too lol. You looked out your front door lately?
 
Donald Trump lost to a man who isn't even all there. He ran against a literal piece of wood and lost so no, I'd say a lot of Americans hated the man pretty adamantly. Mike Lee is not centrist, his voting record proves it. You want to call him centrist because his rhetoric isn't as bad as some of the worst human beings among us, that doesn't make him centrist. His votes show he's an extremist. All you show in this post is what a partisan hack you are. Of course you like Trump/Lee, you're every bit as delusional and gross as they are. Let me guess climate change is a "hoax" too lol. You looked out your front door lately?
fun.

funny maybe.

So for 15000 years we've been basking in interglacial warm. We're still within the limits set for four previous interglacial warm cycles over a million years, even after burning our forests and petroleum reserves.

Most "conservatives" will argue something like climate is always changing, or whatever not man made. I say the campaign to push for global socialism is just using a convenient issue. Not even concerned with doing anything effective to address such an issue. Some say it's just too big for us to change.

I think the math is wrong, the models wrong. Gotta revise the models some more, fix the equations. Get good data, discuss without a political agenda.

We've had it as warm as this before humans learned to make fire and use it. Over and over again. Arctic meltoffs of hundreds of years' duration, where mammoths grazed on the meadowed plains of Siberia and Canada. Active hunters going out now to find the old tusks,. We are likely going to have another hundred years of warm, and we'll be grazing our cows there.

So maybe there are some people who would think this ad hominem attack something significant, but it still does not address the Mike Lee mindset.

Any reasonable analysis of Lee would center on his Mormon roots and social bearings,. He is a rare RINO but a RINO still. His prattle about the Constitution got him some sympathy from his Mormon voters, but it was and is mere prattle. He is a fake conservative like Chief Justice Roberts. He believes in government, he believes in Washinton, as in DC government.

Mormons are generally unthinking socialists with high tolerance for top down authoritarianism. Mike Lee is all of that.
 
fun.

funny maybe.

So for 15000 years we've been basking in interglacial warm. We're still within the limits set for four previous interglacial warm cycles over a million years, even after burning our forests and petroleum reserves.

Most "conservatives" will argue something like climate is always changing, or whatever not man made. I say the campaign to push for global socialism is just using a convenient issue. Not even concerned with doing anything effective to address such an issue. Some say it's just too big for us to change.

I think the math is wrong, the models wrong. Gotta revise the models some more, fix the equations. Get good data, discuss without a political agenda.

We've had it as warm as this before humans learned to make fire and use it. Over and over again. Arctic meltoffs of hundreds of years' duration, where mammoths grazed on the meadowed plains of Siberia and Canada. Active hunters going out now to find the old tusks,. We are likely going to have another hundred years of warm, and we'll be grazing our cows there.

So maybe there are some people who would think this ad hominem attack something significant, but it still does not address the Mike Lee mindset.

Any reasonable analysis of Lee would center on his Mormon roots and social bearings,. He is a rare RINO but a RINO still. His prattle about the Constitution got him some sympathy from his Mormon voters, but it was and is mere prattle. He is a fake conservative like Chief Justice Roberts. He believes in government, he believes in Washinton, as in DC government.

Mormons are generally unthinking socialists with high tolerance for top down authoritarianism. Mike Lee is all of that.
Truly nothing but nonsense.
 
Well the other 2 candidates running against him are Republican and LDS, so they have that going for them. The Isom lady was even the LDS church spokesperson for a time. She left the party over Trump, she is running as a Republican though. Edwards is a moderate Republican. Both are far better options than Lee.
"The Isom lady....". Lol. Tell me you're from Utah without telling me you are from Utah.
 
He's freakin LDS like all the politicians here -- Mormons vote for anyone who is LDS, simple as that. And he is pathetic, maybe even worse than Trump, a freakin weasel.
Last I checked guys like Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake, and Harry Reid have a lot of LDS people who do not or would not support them. Evan McMullin pulled in 21.5% of the presidential vote in 2016 despite ridiculous hype of him taking the state and having nobody get to 270 and having the vote kicked back to congress who amazingly will vote him into office. Non-Mormon Trump picked up more than double the votes. But I suppose you could argue (and I have) that you could pull out some unknown person like McMullin and gain that large of the vote, that it backs up your point, to a certain degree, but I feel the 2016 election and McMullin's candidacy was more a reflection of people's fear about not having "the appearance of good."
 
For their whole lives?
The dominant religion in Utah heavily influences the state’s culture. It’s one of the primary reasons why there have been so few women sent to DC and why the legislature has so few women in it. The very Family Proclamation has largely been interpreted to discourage women from working outside of the home.

Cmon man, I’ve lived in Utah for years, haven’t you? Utah absolutely is a patriarchal society and these women competing for the GOP nomination absolutely are going to face sexism. An issue that Mike Lee won’t have to deal with, giving him an advantage. I don’t see how this is even debatable.

It’s amazing to me to see how many Mormons don’t like talking about the culture their own church has created. Nearly two centuries of racist teachings has effects. Nearly two centuries is teaching gender roles has effects.

The legislature is 76 percent male despite the Utah population being 50 percent female.

In history Utah has had one female Governor (she wasn’t elected but took over once Gov Leavitt left to serve in Bush’s administration).

If a woman beats Lee, she could make history by becoming Utah’s first female Senator. Utah has only had 4 women serve in Congress. Only 16 other states haven’t ever had a woman serve as senator. Most share similar conservative cultures, like Utah.

You may ask, “Thrill aren’t you LDS?” Yes, I am. But the church’s history has some real dark spots and the culture that the church has created is very toxic. I like Utah’s geography and the weather is okay. But the politics and culture I find are pretty loathsome.

58B45D3F-842D-4A73-875D-0FB8C41363E2.png
 
Last edited:
Mike Lee is a "centrist". At CPAC Dallas he was visible following Ted Cruz around. Ted Cruz is a "centrist" too. Both are lawyers with notions of US Constitutional Supremacy. That is what being a "centrist" in the USA means. That is antithetical to extreme right wing "nationalist" or"racial" or"corporate" dominance of our politics, with an idea of rule of law that includes the US Constitution as most Americans expect. Trump is a "centrist": too. Most Union workers are "centrists" as well.

Marxists and Fascists are not "centrists". Used to be that the "Chamber of Commerce" sort of Republicans and the general pro-people Democrats were all centists.

People who want to overthrow this system and replace it with Communism however relabeled or reconceived, and Fascists who want to ditch the US Constitutional concepts of human rights in favor of a "better world" under centralized authoritarian rule are not "centrists".

However, it appears that the rhetoric is changing, always, under ideological or agenda pressures. I used the term "centrist" on Lee in an actually disparaging way because of his being influenced by today's (and the last 50 years') Waswhington DC establishment, by big bank interests, by big tech interests, and by CFR indoctrination, and by Chief Justice Roberts and other pretend conservatives. He's a globalist like the Bush club, and like the LDS Church.

These trends in thought do not absolutely refer to the US Constitution or the innate human individual rights once protected by the US Constitution.

I offer a better view of the world that is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of any cohesive "interests" financial or ideological. My grandfather despised Republicans as being owned by special interests/business, worked for the Democrats as the means of upholding citizen interests. Bill Clinton betrayed that kind of "Democrat" and sold out to the Rockefeller interests and plans.

Republicans generally the "Party of Lincoln" betrayed Lincoln's ideals within minutes of his assassination. While the "Democrats" are reputed to have been "pro-slavery" there was also a notion of federalism, meaning decentralized power with local governments having the highest possible power. Most of the the support for the south during the Civil War was manipulated by British interests into a po-slavery single issue, while in the North the same foreign intersts manipulated the abolitionist cause. The intent was to break up the United States and then limit growth westward by taking the Mississippi into British control, and break off the states one by one and reassert British management.

What did happen was a financial takeover by British finance and progressive ideology. The CFR today is very much compliant with British globalist interests. It's literally the modern British form of Empire.

Russia and China have some thoughts about asserting "better management" but largely, today's politicis is a qeuistion of who's gonna handle the British lion.

People like Cruz and Lee are stooges for the way things are. Trump is just accidentally more of old-time American democrat, being himself most of all. He is a direct threat to "the way things are" but he has found a very strong political base in American values largely held by common Americans.

The problem with Trump is he's his own man.
LOL, the problem with Trump is he is a complete idiot who is a pathological liar with no morals.
 
Evan McMullin jumping in as an independent candidate in the general is probably the best shot at ousting Mike Lee. McMullin is very centrist, not a Trump guy, and a reasonable and good candidate to take on Lee in the general as an independent:



You can donate here

 
Evan McMullin jumping in as an independent candidate in the general is probably the best shot at ousting Mike Lee. McMullin is very centrist, not a Trump guy, and a reasonable and good candidate to take on Lee in the general as an independent:



You can donate here


This will be an interesting race to watch. Which way will Utah Republicans go? Lee being in for another 6 years terrifies me.

And what's even sadder is that it is a given that a Democrat won't be in the discussion.
 
This will be an interesting race to watch. Which way will Utah Republicans go? Lee being in for another 6 years terrifies me.

And what's even sadder is that it is a given that a Democrat won't be in the discussion.
It depends. I’ll see where the polls are as the election approaches and vote Dem or for McMullin, whoever is closer to beating him. There is a path where McMullin takes enough of the Republican votes that it splits it giving the Dem a chance even if they only get 35-36% of the vote. Imagine a Dem getting 36%, Lee getting 35%, and McMullin getting 29%, or a combination of any of those numbers close to that. If McMullin can muster enough support he could seriously split the vote or win.
 
Evan McMullin jumping in as an independent candidate in the general is probably the best shot at ousting Mike Lee. McMullin is very centrist, not a Trump guy, and a reasonable and good candidate to take on Lee in the general as an independent:



You can donate here


iu
 
It's premature to say what will happen over the course of a year, but I think a lot of D's will vote McMullin simply because they want to thumb their nose at Lee. Between that and people who might be a bit more moderate, this could be a very interesting race.

I don't like Lee myself as he just seems like many politicians that are more interested in grandstanding than actually doing something (plus his platitudes towards Trump using LDS doctrine was just baffling). Kind of like how I feel about people such as AOC, Rand Paul, etc. - they'd rather just make the news then seemingly contribute much of the time IMO.
 
Lee lost me when he compared trump to Moroni


Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app
This is actually very funny.

You have know something about Moroni. The little angel on the temple spire, sure. The trumpet. Did you notice that?

But the Lamanites won that war. Mormon and Moroni were the losers. They had to bury the book to prevent it from just being melted down for jewelry trinkets for squaws.

Mike Lee didn't think much before saying that, for sure.
 
Lee a centrist? L O L. Mike Lee is a grifter, extremist, liar and Trump *** kisser.
You are a person of no consequence, who doesn't think two seconds before blabbling ****. You throw out crap because you're on a team cheering for the other side.

I've been around Mike Lee occasionally. He's a little man with a sort of swagger about being reasonable and informed when he's talking to people. He is neither. He grew up talking Constitution from a sort of Mormon notion of it, but doesn't understand the notion of individual liberty or limited government.

He believes in government. He belongs to government. That makes him essentially a centrist. In the sense that he will not really rock the system we have.

Mormons are historically rooted in early socialism, before the idea was hijacked politically to advance British foreign policy and global fascism.

The Book of Mormon advanced ideals of societal socialism building out of the early Christian ideals of socialism, where people financially supported a Church which took care of the poor, and that was expected to rule the world one day with all that niceness.

In the early 1800s European intellectuals supported by government elites donating to universities, doing business as Imperialists worldwide, created a sort of bogus world view about "Left" and "Right" as a tool to captivate analysts trying to discuss politics. Trying to define anyone by that false schema is just stupid, so quit it already.

Lee believes in authoritarian systems like Church oligarchies and wealthy virtuous benefactors with wishes and smiles to barter for political donations, and he doesn't care a fig about any individual "rights".

Trump is in some important aspects a real American who believes "American" things like freedom, opportunity, and government belonging in some sense to the ordinary people. When he got out on his campaign trail, and wasn't just another CFR schill, he discovered a huge wind behind him of millions of people who are just sick of that kind of government that never does them any real good. He just didn't need "system" support, and he actually shared a lot of common ground with all those people who came to his rallies. He loves the show.

He is not ideological, nor a Party Man. Just an American in the grassroots sort of fashion. With enough financial means to be in the game. Independently in the game.

Lee is not anything like that. Lee can be bought, and the bankers and brass at the Silicon Slopes outlets, and the Mo's at the SLC Committee on Foreign Relations all know it. And have their tentacles in his political position.

Romney is the Republican you can beat. He's already senseless and smelling like he's dead. And any aspiring Republican who's in the Lee fight now is only doing it to make name recognition for a Primary race against Romney. Romney will rely on his money to get around the Primary, but he is just politically a dead fish in Utah. He can't win in the General if the Dems get a live candidate out with PR and media appeal. The R will need all that, and some real financial support to oust Romney in the Primary. But to really do that, the R will need the Trump bandwagon. Burgess Owens is the man.
 
Last edited:
You are a person of no consequence, who doesn't think two seconds before blabbling ****. You throw out crap because you're on a team cheering for the other side.

I've been around Mike Lee occasionally. He's a little man with a sort of swagger about being reasonable and informed when he's talking to people. He is neither. He grew up talking Constitution from a sort of Mormon notion of it, but doesn't understand the notion of individual liberty or limited government.

He believes in government. He belongs to government. That makes him essentially a centrist. In the sense that he will not really rock the system we have.

Mormons are historically rooted in early socialism, before the idea was hijacked politically to advance British foreign policy and global fascism.

The Book of Mormon advanced ideals of societal socialism building out of the early Christian ideals of socialism, where people financially supported a Church which took care of the poor, and that was expected to rule the world one day with all that niceness.

In the early 1800s European intellectuals supported by government elites donating to universities, doing business as Imperialists worldwide, created a sort of bogus world view about "Left" and "Right" as a tool to captivate analysts trying to discuss politics. Trying to define anyone by that false schema is just stupid, so quit it already.

Lee believes in authoritarian systems like Church oligarchies and wealthy virtuous benefactors with wishes and smiles to barter for political donations, and he doesn't care a fig about any individual "rights".

Trump is in some important aspects a real American who believes "American" things like freedom, opportunity, and government belonging in some sense to the ordinary people. When he got out on his campaign trail, and wasn't just another CFR schill, he discovered a huge wind behind him of millions of people who are just sick of that kind of government that never does them any real good. He just didn't need "system" support, and he actually shared a lot of common ground with all those people who came to his rallies. He loves the show.

He is not ideological, nor a Party Man. Just an American in the grassroots sort of fashion. With enough financial means to be in the game. Independently in the game.

Lee is not anything like that. Lee can be bought, and the bankers and brass at the Silicon Slopes outlets, and the Mo's at the SLC Committee on Foreign Relations all know it. And have their tentacles in his political position.

Romney is the Republican you can beat. He's already senseless and smelling like he's dead. And any aspiring Republican who's in the Lee fight now is only doing it to make name recognition for a Primary race against Romney. Romney will rely on his money to get around the Primary, but he is just politically a dead fish in Utah. He can't win in the General if the Dems get a live candidate out with PR and media appeal. The R will need all that, and some real financial support to oust Romney in the Primary. But to really do that, the R will need the Trump bandwagon. Burgess Owens is the man.
Burgess Owens is a pile of **** and so is Mike Lee. End post. Owens may not even survive redistricting let alone be popular enough to become a Senator. Romney has a one point higher approval rating in most recent polls than Lee and is far more popular with the general population. Candidates like Mitt, Cox, and McMullin are far more popular when you include the entirety of the states population than Lee or Owens. It’s why someone like Curtis has the highest approval rating in the state as well. All very moderates, or which Lee and Owens are not. They are both grifters.
 
This is actually very funny.

You have know something about Moroni. The little angel on the temple spire, sure. The trumpet. Did you notice that?

But the Lamanites won that war. Mormon and Moroni were the losers. They had to bury the book to prevent it from just being melted down for jewelry trinkets for squaws.

Mike Lee didn't think much before saying that, for sure.

There are two Moroni’s in The Book of Mormon. I’m not going to put forth the effort to verify this, but I’m like 99% sure Lee was referring to the “other” one, called “Captain Moroni”. He was much earlier and a complete badass. I disapprove of the comparison.


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app
 
I understand a lot of Dems will do the Primary sidestep to try to get a weaker candidate on the Republican ticket in Utah. But McMullin has no chance in reality. Lee has street cred with the Mo Establishment and the conservative wing. McMullin's appeal to Romney sorts is weak. He will essentially get 1% of the actually Republican vote, and the 40% vote that is the Dem party will split half for a real wild Marxist powerbrokers in the Dem party, and half for the simply uninformed vote that the Dems own.
There are two Moroni’s in The Book of Mormon. I’m not going to put forth the effort to verify this, but I’m like 99% sure Lee was referring to the “other” one, called “Captain Moroni”. He was much earlier and a complete badass. I disapprove of the comparison.


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app
I forgot about that Captain Moroni. The Title of Liberty and all that. You're right.

But we'd have to get Lee to verify your point. Who knows what he was thinking.
 
Top