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Not really true at allAnyone is an upgrade over Royce
Not really true at allAnyone is an upgrade over Royce
Bogey isn't underused... If anything, he's being overused which leads to him having more turnovers than assists for the season. Any player that has had more turnovers than assists means he probably shouldn't be getting the ball as much. Also for the season Bogey's shooting 38% from deep while Barnes is 40% on only 1 less attempt. So I'm not sure about the "not as good of a shooter" narrative either.I mean cool... he's not as good of a shooter. Getting a slightly better bogey (maybe) is awesome... but when you realize that Bogey is slightly underused already you start to ask why give up assets to make that deal. I mean if you can snake Smart for Bogey and also do the Barnes deal great. The Bogey deals are a little tricky.
I just don't see how it all comes together.
This year and next, he almost makes exactly what Bojan makes. Barnes makes more than Bojan this year and less than Bojan next year.Doesn't Barnes earn a kajillion dollars a year? I would think acquiring him would not help the Jazz luxury tax situation if that is driving the train.
I think Sacramento mainly wants Ingles' expiring and picks. If I had to guess, they were hoping to get Ingles who they could have then flipped to some contender like the Lakers for more value.I don't see how you possibly get Barnes without including Bogey. Sac is going to want someone serviceable back that can contribute while not taking on long-term money.
Ha... Bogey shoots 2.1 more 3s per minute and is at the same percentage as Barnes. He gets off 40% more threes than Barnes. Being able to get your shot if is part of being a good shooter.Bogey isn't underused... If anything, he's being overused which leads to him having more turnovers than assists for the season. Any player that has had more turnovers than assists means he probably shouldn't be getting the ball as much. Also for the season Bogey's shooting 38% from deep while Barnes is 40% on only 1 less attempt. So I'm not sure about the "not as good of a shooter" narrative either.
They wanted to use him... we look at Sacramento all wrong... we assume they know they are trash... they want to make the play in. So they wanted to hopefully get picks and not fall too far... so they would use Ingles... now that utility is lessened.I think Sacramento mainly wants Ingles' expiring and picks. If I had to guess, they were hoping to get Ingles who they could have then flipped to some contender like the Lakers for more value.
Very possibly. Reports do say there was a trade out there with Sacramento which has changed since Joe went down.They wanted to use him... we look at Sacramento all wrong... we assume they know they are trash... they want to make the play in. So they wanted to hopefully get picks and not fall too far... so they would use Ingles... now that utility is lessened.
I'm telling you... every report from the Kings is that the GM has a mandate to make the play in from ownership. They are about to set the record for most years out of the playoffs. They want to win now... will they collect some assets on a trade in... for sure! Will they do moves that are purely about space and picks... no damn way!Very possibly. Reports do say there was a trade out there with Sacramento which has changed since Joe went down.
I think it's hard to overstate how important this is to the problem.That's a big part of the problem, Quin trusts him too much.
Yeah but you buy yourself some prime years and can extend the window. But I think that also means the charade that the Jazz are contending this year is over since a player familiar with the system >>> player not familiar with the system.I'm telling you... every report from the Kings is that the GM has a mandate to make the play in from ownership. They are about to set the record for most years out of the playoffs. They want to win now... will they collect some assets on a trade in... for sure! Will they do moves that are purely about space and picks... no damn way!
I actually think their current GM is solid, but Vivek gonna fire his *** if they don't make the play in.
So view Sacramento in that lense... I actually think they would do a Bogey and a first for Barnes... same contract length and doesn't murder your playoff chances. I wouldn't do that personally because I think they are essentially the same player.
I don't get the Barnes thing...
Everyone: We must get better defensively
Jazz: Let's get the guy on the worst defensive team in the league (almost 28th) with the worst on/off defensive splits... but he looks really athletic.
Maybe he's dogging it but its a weird target imo. Unless there is a second move where Bogey goes out for a guy who is actually good defensively.
Doesn't have to be the Kings. We can send Bogey somewhere else in a three way deal
I'm telling you... every report from the Kings is that the GM has a mandate to make the play in from ownership. They are about to set the record for most years out of the playoffs. They want to win now... will they collect some assets on a trade in... for sure! Will they do moves that are purely about space and picks... no damn way!
I actually think their current GM is solid, but Vivek gonna fire his *** if they don't make the play in.
Jordan Clarkson (HELD OUT FOR TRADE…I mean KNEE SORENESS OR SOMETHING).
Jordan Clarkson (HELD OUT FOR TRADE…I mean KNEE SORENESS OR SOMETHING).
Bogey isn't shooting at the same percentage as Barnes... One is at 38.5% on 6.5 attempt and one is 40.4% on 5 attempts, almost a 2% gap. And Barnes's now been shooting 38% or above from deep for 4 straight seasons and 6 times across his 10 year career, so it's not like this is some kind of outlying performance from him.Ha... Bogey shoots 2.1 more 3s per minute and is at the same percentage as Barnes. He gets off 40% more threes than Barnes. Being able to get your shot if is part of being a good shooter.
He should be getting a few more shots per game. Doesn't mean he needs to try and create them. That is what I mean by slightly under used. For instance I'd trade a few JC shots per game for Bogey shots.
Its just wild we look at some mild differences and give those to Barnes like they are a huge win... but ignore the things that Bogey is mildly better than Barnes at. Its a shuffle the deck chairs move that costs a first and a useful player imo.