If you'd bet your life on something so trivial and completely possible to lose then you may want to second think that.
I think several coaches would be able to run a Euro team with success. A few retired coaches would excell as well.
Tyrone Corbin is Stupid
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If you'd bet your life on something so trivial and completely possible to lose then you may want to second think that.
I think several coaches would be able to run a Euro team with success. A few retired coaches would excell as well.
Fishsticks
Banned
Lol. This post is just awesome. Your brilliance shines through. Thanks for posting.
It seems like everyone is missing the two main points of the article because they are mad the Turkey coach slammed Corbin. The two main points I took from the article is this. 1. Turkey coach is upset Kanter didn't play for them. 2. He believes Kanter should not be forced to play with his back to the basket all the time. I agree with both points.
Kanter needs game experience not more time working out at P3. He could have gotten that playing in Turkey. So I agree with the Turkey coach on this issue.
Kanter was told last year to focus on rebounding. End of story. Even when he posted up he was looking to run to the other side to get the rebound. I think he has more to his game and he didn't get to show it last year. I, like the Turkey coach want Kanter to play more out on the perimeter to take advantage of his outside shooting and other skills. Moreover, I think his rebounding started to suffer at the end of last year because the opposing team always knew where Kanter would be and could find him to box him out. If he started more on the perimeter the other team would have a harder time trying to block him out.
Kanter needs game experience not more time working out at P3. He could have gotten that playing in Turkey. So I agree with the Turkey coach on this issue.
Kanter was told last year to focus on rebounding. End of story. Even when he posted up he was looking to run to the other side to get the rebound. I think he has more to his game and he didn't get to show it last year. I, like the Turkey coach want Kanter to play more out on the perimeter to take advantage of his outside shooting and other skills. Moreover, I think his rebounding started to suffer at the end of last year because the opposing team always knew where Kanter would be and could find him to box him out. If he started more on the perimeter the other team would have a harder time trying to block him out.
MVP
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Again that was not the point! Argument was that Corbin works with superior talent compared to Tanjevic thus he must be better coach.
So your counter point is that the best player on the Turkey NT is better than they guy that was brought onto the Jazz out of desperation for a PG midseason?
That seems like a solid foundation to build your arguement on, yup...
MVP
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ROFL. Seriously? Is that so difficult to understand? You guys missing my point completely. Argument was that Tanjevic has no right to talk smack about Corbin because he works with lesser talent and has no clue what it is to deal with NBA talent. My point is that even if Corbin deals with some talented NBA playersm he as well deals with mediocre players who would not even start in Euroleague. While Tanjevic has players on his Turkey team who are starters in NBA. So that claim was absolutely ridiculous. Anybody who knows international basketball and NBA will tell you that Corbin is nowhere close to Tanjevic's coaching level. Period.
I am out of this discussion as it is leading nowhere.
So again your arguement is that there is a guy on the Turkey team that is better than the scrub Utah signed out of desperation for a 3rd string PG. Thank you for confirming my assumption.
Tarkanian
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Tyrone Corbin was a player with flawed fundamentals.
Tanjevic is a master of his craft.
No comparison here.
Let me expalin a tad more;
do you know Pete Newell?
ever heard of him?
He was a big man coach, teaching fundamentals of the game to the Cs and PFs of USA in his summer camp.
But he never played C for he was a midget.
It does not take an NBA playing career to be a coach.
It doesnot take an NBA training to be a good BBALL coach.
Level of bball coaching can not solely be measured on the years, in which a person worked in NBA in any capacity whatsoever, be it as a player or a coach!
example;
Tanjevic is one helluva coach, better than Corbin AFAIamconcerned
Pitino is an incredibly great coach with a very poor NBA performance, better than Corbin AFAIamconcerned.
Tanjevic is a master of his craft.
No comparison here.
Let me expalin a tad more;
do you know Pete Newell?
ever heard of him?
He was a big man coach, teaching fundamentals of the game to the Cs and PFs of USA in his summer camp.
But he never played C for he was a midget.
It does not take an NBA playing career to be a coach.
It doesnot take an NBA training to be a good BBALL coach.
Level of bball coaching can not solely be measured on the years, in which a person worked in NBA in any capacity whatsoever, be it as a player or a coach!
example;
Tanjevic is one helluva coach, better than Corbin AFAIamconcerned
Pitino is an incredibly great coach with a very poor NBA performance, better than Corbin AFAIamconcerned.
AKMVP this is a better arguement than yours by far.
MVP
Well-Known Member
This is your problem Stoked, until you realize and admit that you are 100% wrong here then we shall not argue anymore. Or leave just NBA landscape in you statement, that will make it valid.
theNBAnerd
Well-Known Member
might not have been YOUR point, but it was a point that has taken up about half this thread -- the talent gap (real or perceived) between the NBA and foreign leagues. the pro-tanj crowd (yes, i know i'm lumping you all in together) can't use that as the bread and butter to your argument for several pages and then run from it when the argument comes back to bite you.
the best teams in the best euro leagues have a max of 3-4 players (in most cases, less) who would make an NBA roster, to say nothing of who would actually earn rotation minutes.
that's not meant to be an insult to anybody. it's just some context that most european coaches understand: a player can simultaneously be the best player in one of those leagues and someone unworthy of a rotation job in the NBA.
Your problem is that you put forth probably the weakest defence of the NT coach on here. I am simply saying that YOUR arguement (not a stance I am advocating or denying) is pretty bad.
illyasova
Active Member
You are welcome, pal
All I can say in regards to this is that
-Kanter is a total dip **** for not playing with the Turkish NT
-I'm sure Corbin wasn't the one that advised Kanter should stay
-There are infinitely worse coaches than Corbin
-However, Kanter's body language and style of play barely resembles what we saw of him in HS/Nike Hoops Summit. He seems broken. Whether that's Corbin, the NBA in general or what, he needs the Turkish NT more than they need him. A seriously stupid move on his part. I hope he finds good people to put around him or he grows up or something.
-Kanter is a total dip **** for not playing with the Turkish NT
-I'm sure Corbin wasn't the one that advised Kanter should stay
-There are infinitely worse coaches than Corbin
-However, Kanter's body language and style of play barely resembles what we saw of him in HS/Nike Hoops Summit. He seems broken. Whether that's Corbin, the NBA in general or what, he needs the Turkish NT more than they need him. A seriously stupid move on his part. I hope he finds good people to put around him or he grows up or something.
I think we need to have more respect for the jump that going from the Hoops Summit to the NBA represents. As long as Kanter doesn't let discouragement overcome him, he'll be fine, even if that doesn't mean domination.
When I was looking at Joakim Noah in relation to the other thread, I ran across his summer league stats (wasn't Noah 2 years older at that point than Kanter is now?). Kanter's summer league stats are better almost across the board. Yet Noah managed to turn out fine.
Noah / Kanter:
G 4 / 5
MPG 20.9 / 26.1
FG% .474 / .500
FT% .579 / .667
Reb 6.0 / 8.8
Asst 1.0 / 1.4
Stl .75 / 1.2
BPG .5 / .8
TO 2.0 / 2.6
PPG 7.25 / 10.4
friendsinmyhead
Member
You Turks and other Euro's are rightfully proud of your Turkish players and thats cool and understandable. You also want to be respected for your knowledge of bball and thats understandable too. However standing up for a ranting coach who speaks prior to thinking is indefensible. Regardless of his qualifications, he just comes off as petty and stupid in this article. For you to take the position that it's OK because he is better than TY is simply asinine.
Also comparing a 65 year old coach's (with 35 years of coaching experience) accomplishments VS someone with a few years is ridiculous. I would have expected to see many more international titles when he coached four decades and there are multiple tournamants to win every year.
Also comparing a 65 year old coach's (with 35 years of coaching experience) accomplishments VS someone with a few years is ridiculous. I would have expected to see many more international titles when he coached four decades and there are multiple tournamants to win every year.
friendsinmyhead
Member
I know that Tanjevic is not rated as one of the best Euro coaches. Seems like you may be over rating him a bit.
https://www.euroleague.net/history/50-years/coach-nominees
THE ALL-TIME COACH NOMINEES
· Valerio Bianchini
· Pedro Ferrandiz
· Sandro Gamba
· Aito Garcia Reneses
· Pini Gershon
· Aleksandar Gomelsky
· Yannis Ioannidis
· Dusan Ivkovic
· Ralph Klein
· Bozidar Maljkovic
· Ettore Messina
· Aleksandar Nikolic
· Mirko Novosel
· Zeljko Obradovic
· Zeljko Pavlicevic
· Svetislav Pesic
· Dan Peterson
· Cesare Rubini
· Lolo Sainz
· Ranko Zeravica
https://www.euroleague.net/history/50-years/coach-nominees
THE ALL-TIME COACH NOMINEES
· Valerio Bianchini
· Pedro Ferrandiz
· Sandro Gamba
· Aito Garcia Reneses
· Pini Gershon
· Aleksandar Gomelsky
· Yannis Ioannidis
· Dusan Ivkovic
· Ralph Klein
· Bozidar Maljkovic
· Ettore Messina
· Aleksandar Nikolic
· Mirko Novosel
· Zeljko Obradovic
· Zeljko Pavlicevic
· Svetislav Pesic
· Dan Peterson
· Cesare Rubini
· Lolo Sainz
· Ranko Zeravica
It's an interpretation of an interpretation & he was PMSing the day after soaking corks for his players. It's an old Italian tradition acquired back in his ring chasing days. Get over it, bro.