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Piso

Piso

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Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 8 games :
1 Donovan Mitchell : +86
2 Aaron Gordon : +79
3 Nikola Jokic : +77
4 Royce O'Neale : +76
5 PJ Tucker : +75
6 Kyle Lowry : +72
7 Bojan Bogdanovic : +71
8 DeMar DeRozan : +69
9 Jimmy Butler : +67
10 Derrick Rose : +64
10 Jordan Clarkson : +64
...
15 Hassan Whiteside : +59
18 Mike Conley : +55
27 Joe Ingles : +48
27 Rudy Gobert : +48
84 Eric Paschall : +23
162 Trent Forrest : +5
205 Jared Butler : +1
 
Piso said:
Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 8 games :
1 Donovan Mitchell : +86
2 Aaron Gordon : +79
3 Nikola Jokic : +77
4 Royce O'Neale : +76
5 PJ Tucker : +75
6 Kyle Lowry : +72
7 Bojan Bogdanovic : +71
8 DeMar DeRozan : +69
9 Jimmy Butler : +67
10 Derrick Rose : +64
10 Jordan Clarkson : +64
...
15 Hassan Whiteside : +59
18 Mike Conley : +55
27 Joe Ingles : +48
27 Rudy Gobert : +48
84 Eric Paschall : +23
162 Trent Forrest : +5
205 Jared Butler : +1
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Gotta bench Rudy. He’s killing us out there
 
Nice thread. thanks
 
Not +/- but I didnt want to make a new thread. He is some early interesting advanced stats.

I thought we were running a lot more iso's but looking at the stats we are not running many of those. Mitchell gets the most at a little over 2 a game followed by Clarkson not far behind. We do run a ton of pick and rolls with Mitchell leading the way at 13.4 per game which is second most in the NBA, second most is Conley. But stats arent great from them in these, its pretty average. Also unfortunately Rudy isnt getting the ball much from those pick and rolls and even worse when he is its a turnover 17% of the time, which is really high.

Bojan is leading our team with postups and it is incredibly efficient and a great play. I think we should run it a little more. He is shooting 70% in postups and is probably the best stats in the NBA at them right now, maybe behind only Paul George and about the same as DeRozan.

Gobert is getting the second most cuts per game in the NBA and its pretty much a guaranteed points or FTs.

Coming off screens Bojan followed by Clarkson are getting the most and they are awful, they average 27% on those shots.

Gobert is the best in the League at put back, he has a high frequency and again its a guaranteed basket or FTs. I dont think anyone is close to him at these this year.

Bojan followed closely by Mitchell are getting the most transition shots. Mitchell is awful in these shots, Bojan is okay but still meh. Royce has gotten the 3rd most and is awesome at them. I feel like him getting the ball on the fast break is guaranted points this year. He would be much better on a team that runs more.

Mitchell is getting the most drives on our team and top 10 in the NBA. His numbers are really good on these. Our team overall is pretty good here with Conley and Clarkson being really solid as well.

Jazz are not generating many catch and shoot shots and outside of Conley and Ingles the team is shooting really really bad at them.

Mtichell gets the most touches per game but he is barely in the top 50 for touches per game. Gobert needs more touches he is 7th on our team in touches and not many more than Paschall, he is also the lowest average sec per touch on the team. Pretty much he just gets a few touches at the top of the key and passes it right back. Gobert and Whiteside get the most points per touch, but that is pretty obvious.

Distance per game is in the following order Royce, Bojan, Mitchell, Gobert, Conley, Clarkson, Ingles, Paschall... Mitchell has the slowest average speed on the court.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Not +/- but I didnt want to make a new thread. He is some early interesting advanced stats.

I thought we were running a lot more iso's but looking at the stats we are not running many of those. Mitchell gets the most at a little over 2 a game followed by Clarkson not far behind. We do run a ton of pick and rolls with Mitchell leading the way at 13.4 per game which is second most in the NBA, second most is Conley. But stats arent great from them in these, its pretty average. Also unfortunately Rudy isnt getting the ball much from those pick and rolls and even worse when he is its a turnover 17% of the time, which is really high.

Bojan is leading our team with postups and it is incredibly efficient and a great play. I think we should run it a little more. He is shooting 70% in postups and is probably the best stats in the NBA at them right now, maybe behind only Paul George and about the same as DeRozan.

Gobert is getting the second most cuts per game in the NBA and its pretty much a guaranteed points or FTs.

Coming off screens Bojan followed by Clarkson are getting the most and they are awful, they average 27% on those shots.

Gobert is the best in the League at put back, he has a high frequency and again its a guaranteed basket or FTs. I dont think anyone is close to him at these this year.

Bojan followed closely by Mitchell are getting the most transition shots. Mitchell is awful in these shots, Bojan is okay but still meh. Royce has gotten the 3rd most and is awesome at them. I feel like him getting the ball on the fast break is guaranted points this year. He would be much better on a team that runs more.

Mitchell is getting the most drives on our team and top 10 in the NBA. His numbers are really good on these. Our team overall is pretty good here with Conley and Clarkson being really solid as well.

Jazz are not generating many catch and shoot shots and outside of Conley and Ingles the team is shooting really really bad at them.

Mtichell gets the most touches per game but he is barely in the top 50 for touches per game. Gobert needs more touches he is 7th on our team in touches and not many more than Paschall, he is also the lowest average sec per touch on the team. Pretty much he just gets a few touches at the top of the key and passes it right back. Gobert and Whiteside get the most points per touch, but that is pretty obvious.

Distance per game is in the following order Royce, Bojan, Mitchell, Gobert, Conley, Clarkson, Ingles, Paschall... Mitchell has the slowest average speed on the court.
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Thanks. In another thread I wondered how our points per possession for a Mitchell iso compares with a Gobert postup. Could you pull that data?

Or even better could you teach me to fish, i.e. post a link for where you pull this data?
 
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Great thread. Thanks for the info. I love threads like these
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Thanks. In another thread I wondered how our points per possession for a Mitchell iso compares with a Gobert postup. Could you pull that data?

Or even better could you teach me to fish, i.e. post a link for where you pull this data?
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Yeah, its just at NBA.com/stats
You just need to go to all player stats and then select playtypes. In this case though Gobert doesnt really have enough postups to get the stats for it. There is the tracking data as well for this but not as much info. It looks like he has 10 total this year and has shot 3 for 4, passed out 3 times, and turned it over 2X, and one time he was fouled and missed both FTs.

Mitchell has had 23 ISOs. He is 9 out of 20 in those situations. He has had 3 turnovers and no FTs. But Mitchell runs a lot more with a pick. He has 134 possessions as the ball handler in a pick and roll. He is pretty solid in those.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yeah, its just at NBA.com/stats
You just need to go to all player stats and then select playtypes. In this case though Gobert doesnt really have enough postups to get the stats for it. There is the tracking data as well for this but not as much info. It looks like he has 10 total this year and has shot 3 for 4, passed out 3 times, and turned it over 2X, and one time he was fouled and missed both FTs.

Mitchell has had 23 ISOs. He is 9 out of 20 in those situations. He has had 3 turnovers and no FTs. But Mitchell runs a lot more with a pick. He has 134 possessions as the ball handler in a pick and roll. He is pretty solid in those.
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I really appreciate your help. NBA.com has upped their game and has so much data there. I definitely needed to be on a computer vs phone to find what I wanted.

As for Gobert Post Up vs Mitchell Iso I went back to last year and it's 1.01 PPP for a Mitchel Iso vs 0.57 PPP for a Gobert Post Up. This year Mitchell Iso is 0.87 PPP vs Gobert Post Up 0.86 PPP.
 
Gobert's on/off is pretty shocking this year. We've been killing it in the Whiteside minutes and just so-so everywhere else. It's a good place to be, because history tells us that whenever Gobert is on the floor during the RS we dominate and I'm sure that will swing back around.
 
Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 15 games :
1 Stephen Curry : +205
2 Gary Payton : +135
3 Luke Kennard : +130
4 Aaron Gordon: +126
5 Nemanja Bjelica: +125
6 Monte Morris: +122
7 DeMar DeRozan: +121
8 Derrick Rose: +120
8 Nikola Jokic: +120
10 Mikal Bridges: +114
11 Donovan Mitchell : +113 (+27)
...
14 Royce O'Neale : +102 (+26)
17 Bojan Bogdanovic : +96 (+25)
22 Jordan Clarkson : +90 (+26)
25 Mike Conley : +88 (+33)
34 Rudy Gobert : +78 (+30)
44 Hassan Whiteside : +67 (+8)
59 Joe Ingles : +53 (+5)
135 Rudy Gay : +14
153 Eric Paschall : +9 (-14)
167 Trent Forrest : +7 (+2)
215 Jared Butler : 0 (-1)
232 Udoka Azubuike: -2
264 Malik Fitts: -6
276 Elijah Hughes: -8
309 Miye Oni: -16
 
Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 21 games :
1 Stephen Curry : +285
2 Giannis Antetokounmpo: +197
3 Mikal Bridges: +166
4 George Hill: +164
5 Jordan Clarkson : +162 (+72)
6 Andrew Wiggins: +155
7 DeMar DeRozan: +151
8 Donovan Mitchell : +150 (+37)
9 D'Angelo Russell: +149
10 Rudy Gobert : +148 (+70)
...
16 Bojan Bogdanovic : +135 (+39)
18 Mike Conley : +120 (+32)
21 Joe Ingles : +115 (+62)
27 Royce O'Neale : +103 (+1)
47 Hassan Whiteside : +77 (+10)
61 Rudy Gay : +63 (+49)
124 Trent Forrest : +29 (+22)
228 Udoka Azubuike: -2
252 Malik Fitts: -6
274 Eric Paschall : -10 (-19)
300 Jared Butler : -17 (-17)
313 Elijah Hughes: -20 (-12)
362 Miye Oni: -32 (-16)

Best +/- all time in career for Utah (since 96/97) :
1 John Stockton : +2946
2 Karl Malone: +2771
3 Rudy Gobert: +2461
4 Bryon Russell: +2193
5 Jeff Hornacek: +1905
6 Joe Ingles: +1610
7 Andrei Kirilenko: +1558
8 Greg Ostertag: +1472
9 Donovan Mitchell: +1280
10 Paul Millsap: +1170
11 Royce O'Neale: +1156
12 Deron Williams: +1013
13 Bojan Bogdanovic: +821
14 Kyle Korver: +756
15 Mike Conley: +741
16 Carlos Boozer: +636
17 Adam Keefe: +565
18 Jordan Clarkson: +554
19 Ricky Rubio: +459
20 Raul Neto: +454
21 Ronnie Brewer: +452
22 Mehmet Okur: +370
22 Jay Crowder: +370
24 CJ Miles: +322
25 Olden Polynice: +294
26 George Hill: +258
27 Rodney Hood: +214
28 Wesley Matthews: +208
29 Georges Niang: +207
 
Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 24 games :
1 Stephen Curry : +306
2 Giannis Antetokounmpo: +204
3 Rudy Gobert : +193 (+45)
4 Donovan Mitchell : +190 (+40)
5 Mikal Bridges: +180
6 Draymond Green: +175
7 Gary Payton II: +171
8 Andrew Wiggins: +170
9 George Hill: +168
10 Jordan Clarkson : +167 (+5)
...
14 Mike Conley : +153 (+33)
16 Bojan Bogdanovic : +148 (+13)
18 Joe Ingles : +140 (+25)
23 Royce O'Neale : +125 (+22)
64 Hassan Whiteside : +67 (-10)
66 Rudy Gay : +65 (+2)
111 Trent Forrest : +36 (+7)
230 Eric Paschall : -1 (+9)
235 Udoka Azubuike: -2
243 Malik Fitts: -3 (+3)
301 Jared Butler : -14 (+3)
317 Elijah Hughes: -20
341 Miye Oni: -29 (+3)
 
Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 24 games :
1 Stephen Curry : +306
2 Giannis Antetokounmpo: +204
3 Rudy Gobert : +193 (+45)
4 Donovan Mitchell : +190 (+40)
5 Mikal Bridges: +180
6 Draymond Green: +175
7 Gary Payton II: +171
8 Andrew Wiggins: +170
9 George Hill: +168
10 Jordan Clarkson : +167 (+5)

And THAT team is about to add Klay Thompson!?!?!
 
Joncolton said:
Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 24 games :
1 Stephen Curry : +306
2 Giannis Antetokounmpo: +204
3 Rudy Gobert : +193 (+45)
4 Donovan Mitchell : +190 (+40)
5 Mikal Bridges: +180
6 Draymond Green: +175
7 Gary Payton II: +171
8 Andrew Wiggins: +170
9 George Hill: +168
10 Jordan Clarkson : +167 (+5)

And THAT team is about to add a guy who hasn’t played basketball in two years so we should all just wait and see
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Season 2021-22
Best +/- after 30 games :
1 Stephen Curry : +333
2 Donovan Mitchell : +246 (+56)
3 Rudy Gobert : +243 (+50)
4 Darius Garland: +228
5 Mikal Bridges: +209
6 Nikola Jokic: +206
7 Bojan Bogdanovic : +203 (+55)
8 George Hill: +199
9 Giannis Antetokounmpo: +198
10 Mike Conley : +197 (+44)
...
12 Jordan Clarkson : +188 (+21)
13 Royce O'Neale : +186 (+61)
21 Joe Ingles : +158 (+18)
54 Hassan Whiteside : +88 (+21)
76 Rudy Gay : +69 (+4)
117 Trent Forrest : +36 (+0)
190 Eric Paschall : +6 (+7)
230 Udoka Azubuike: -2
239 Malik Fitts: -3
274 Jared Butler : -8 (+6)
323 Elijah Hughes: -20
332 Miye Oni: -22 (+7)

Best +/- all time in career for Utah (since 96/97) :
1 John Stockton : +2946
2 Karl Malone: +2771
3 Rudy Gobert: +2556
4 Bryon Russell: +2193
5 Jeff Hornacek: +1905
6 Joe Ingles: +1653
7 Andrei Kirilenko: +1558
8 Greg Ostertag: +1472
9 Donovan Mitchell: +1376
10 Royce O'Neale: +1239
11 Paul Millsap: +1170
12 Deron Williams: +1013
13 Bojan Bogdanovic: +889
14 Mike Conley: +818
15 Kyle Korver: +756
16 Carlos Boozer: +636
17 Jordan Clarkson: +580
18 Adam Keefe: +565
19 Ricky Rubio: +459
20 Raul Neto: +454
21 Ronnie Brewer: +452
22 Mehmet Okur: +370
22 Jay Crowder: +370
24 CJ Miles: +322
25 Olden Polynice: +294
26 George Hill: +258
27 Rodney Hood: +214
28 Wesley Matthews: +208
29 Georges Niang: +207
 
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