What grade would you give Ainge for his draft selections?

[LogGrad98]

You posted highlights of PG In summer league swearing up and down he was the same damn player and criticized me and basically told me I was dumb. Have you no decency??

Decency? The dude dates a jr high school chick and he's 50. What do you think?

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Cody Williams is such a negative, I don't know how you can give any grade higher than a D if Williams is involved. He is not just an F he is a zero. I would trade him, if anyone would trade for him. His shot is just broken.

Cody shot over 40% for nearly a month to end the season. Give him time.

Having said that, I have never thought Ainge was an elite drafter. He is great at picking up role players through the draft. Jaylen Brown and Tatum were both very high picks so I am hopeful that we get it done with a top 5 pick or movement.

Collier and Fillipowski were late hits.

Taylor looked great to begin the season before Watergate.

I would give Ainge a B- so far. A true drafting elite would make the tough trade for a difference maker or would find them later in the draft like the Heat always seem to do.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

B- Had he taken Matas instead of Cody I would give him an A. Its a tough one though because a much better wing was selected right after the wing you took who looks tragic. Basically he did good work but flunked the final so ends up with a okayish grade.

Matas was my pick. I said Cody will be compared to Matas and I hoped I would be wrong.

Still, if Cody hits his ceiling, he could be great. He just has to go up 12 other ceilings to get there.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Do you not understand what “caveat” means?

Here's a caveat for you...

 

[Jaanipoeg]

Does anyone have any comps for a player that was super raw lottery pick and arguably one of the worst minutes-receiving players who still ended up becoming something?

I don't need star upside, but Paul George and Jimmy Butler had quieter rookie seasons, but any player who was a disaster class and grew into a starter caliber player?

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Does anyone have any comps for a player that was super raw lottery pick and arguably one of the worst minutes-receiving players who still ended up becoming something?

I don't need star upside, but Paul George and Jimmy Butler had quieter rookie seasons, but any player who was a disaster class and grew into a starter caliber player?

There are lots of guys with underwhelming rookie seasons (Fox, Bam, Jaylen Brown, etc), but the only recent (meaning the last 20 years) guys I've seen that started just HORRENDOUS and turned into something are

1. Andrew Bynum
2. Sabonis
3. Monk
4. Kris Dunn
5. Thabo

There are caveats to each of these guys other than Sabonis and Thabo though

Bynum: Entered the league at 17 years old, youngest player ever
Monk: Might have been battling a drug addiction at this time?
Kris Dunn: Flushed out of the league and needed multiple years to make it back.

Sabonis is the clearest case of a guy just looking like one of the worst players in the NBA as a rookie and then turning it around and becoming a star though.

 

[fishonjazz]

If I'm grading his picks at the time of the drafts then I go with B+

If I use hindsight then I'm not sure I actually covet anyone he has drafted for the Jazz.

Like if I'm a playoff team that needs another good player to become a contender then I don't want any player that Ainge has drafted to add to my team.

That's not good. I give a C- or D+ based when using hindsight.

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[The Jazz Wonderbra]

There are lots of guys with underwhelming rookie seasons (Fox, Bam, Jaylen Brown, etc), but the only recent (meaning the last 20 years) guys I've seen that started just HORRENDOUS and turned into something are

1. Andrew Bynum
2. Sabonis
3. Monk
4. Kris Dunn
5. Thabo

There are caveats to each of these guys other than Sabonis and Thabo though

Bynum: Entered the league at 17 years old, youngest player ever
Monk: Might have been battling a drug addiction at this time?
Kris Dunn: Flushed out of the league and needed multiple years to make it back.

Sabonis is the clearest case of a guy just looking like one of the worst players in the NBA as a rookie and then turning it around and becoming a star though.

Livingston was an interesting case. Steph Curry had major weaknesses and was a very meh player until he got healthy.

There are plenty of guys who looked flawed but improved.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Livingston was an interesting case. Steph Curry had major weaknesses and was a very meh player until he got healthy.

There are plenty of guys who looked flawed but improved.

I mean, there's tons of guys that followed very ehh rookie seasons with good or amazing careers.

The issue is that Cody was one of the absolute worst players in the NBA and the track record of those guys turning it around is much worse. Sabonis is basically the only guy whose rookie season flat out sucked and then became a star.

 

[Friend2bees]

C- for me. The list of names after our picks is not very inspiring either, but this is 6 picks resulting in 0 players that look like they are going to be major pieces of the next great Jazz team. At least in my opinion.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I mean, there's tons of guys that followed very ehh rookie seasons with good or amazing careers.

The issue is that Cody was one of the absolute worst players in the NBA and the track record of those guys turning it around is much worse. Sabonis is basically the only guy whose rookie season flat out sucked and then became a star.

I just did a chatgpt search... some interesting players on that list...

 

[homeytennis]

Does this mean that Cody will be MVP of the league?

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Dirk and Billups and T-Mac were not terrible in their rookie seasons, they were just ehh which is very normal for rookies.

Again, Cody is in a very different tier. He was the worst player in the NBA.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Dirk and Billups and T-Mac were not terrible in their rookie seasons, they were just ehh which is very normal for rookies.

Again, Cody is in a very different tier. He was the worst player in the NBA.

Yeah, his stats were really bad, and this was during a tanking season when he had ample opportunity to show something. I don't have my hopes up.

 

[jazznik]

The issue is that Cody was one of the absolute worst players in the NBA and the track record of those guys turning it around is much worse.

Now, I heard that about Cody a lot: "one of the absolute worst players in the NBA" and I think it deserves to be challenged. How do you know that Cody was one of the worst players in the NBA? The advanced stats like NETRTG are heavily influenced by the team's performance (all leaders tend to be from OKC-Boston-Cleveland). Cody played a lot of minutes on the worst team in the NBA and that is why his stats are so bad (btw, the rest of the Jazz players are not too far from him in the advanced stats).

Was he ready to play in his first NBA season? Of course not, like many other rookies. The difference is that the Jazz used the opportunity of the tanking season and threw him in for major minutes against all teams, while many other young players on other teams played only sporadically in the garbage time. Again, Cody was not good and not ready but he has not been that different in it from many other young players drafted as "projects". Our own Johnny Juzang was pretty bad in his first season when he was 21/22 but he kept steadily improving. Cody was a skinny 19 year-old: give him some time.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

zero judgement atm making a judgement after lower drafted dudes rookie or second seasons is bonkers I'll only judge what he does with high picks

 

[framer]

If I'm grading his picks at the time of the drafts then I go with B+

If I use hindsight then I'm not sure I actually covet anyone he has drafted for the Jazz.

Like if I'm a playoff team that needs another good player to become a contender then I don't want any player that Ainge has drafted to add to my team.

That's not good. I give a C- or D+ based when using hindsight.

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There are no playoff teams looking at stocking up on 20 year olds for their playoff run.

 

[gomretat]

An A from me would mean he has brought in more talent then we gave up - two future HOF players. Maybe there is a diamond in the rough but not seeing anything close. A B grade means he has replaced the talent he gave up. So far, everything is tracking well below what we have traded.

 

[framer]

Jermaine O'Neal was putrid his first 4 seasons until he came around and became a very good player after he left Portland for Indiana. Portland fans were vicious towards him because they figured they had wasted a high pick on a bum. Dude just needed to grow into his body.