When Should the Jazz Stop Tanking?

[LogGrad98]

How many more games of this kind of production does Keyonte have to have before people here finally start respecting him as a future star? We got a guy never played PG until he got to the NBA and is now putting it all together while not having much experience. What happens when Keyonte has a full team around him, not a half team that has half the rotation as over the hill vets/young guys trying to learn to play?

Future star? Meh, I guess everyone might be a star if they become a star. Pretty nebulous chances really. Now, real starter, and solid contributor, with star potential? Absolutely.

 

[fishonjazz]

Here is a question I have that have not read the answer for
If Jazz finish with a top 8 pick and it goes to 9, 10, 11 etc after lottery who gets the pick?

Not the jazz

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Thy Jazz seek maximal fan captivation forthright. Potentialities can be realized via “Big Game Hunting,” Tanking to success, etc. An empiricist values the observable, let us watch, submitting our beliefs to the vagaries of future evidence.

David Sir you know i'm a fan

But this is not your best work

 

[David Hume]

David Sir you know i'm a fan

But this is not your best work

True, my colleague. Too much ale tonight.

 

[JazzFever]

Why are you concerned about his 3pt%? He shot around 34% through 2 years. He has only gotten better at everything else, and he's shooting 90%+ from the FT line. I somehow doubt he just forgot how to shoot it.

Maybe he's not an elite shooter like we were hoping, but it doesnt really matter if he's going to finish everything around the rim, make high quality plays for others, and getting to the FT line at an elite rate (doesnt even have to be elite, just high level).

He can be really good w/o it regardless if he keeps up the FTs. Just saying if he can add in the 3pt % too that becomes a whole 'nother level.

 

[Max Porter]

I was going to say if the jazz are progressing and really competitive this year let them play but after hearing about Kessler I don’t see what they have to gain from making the play in or at best an 8th seed. Go for a top pick then ball next year.

 

[Sardines]

The correct answer is: never. Never stop. The jazz will never get the talent needed to get any further ahead except for sheer luck in the draft, like with Gobert and Mitchell. And since we are already on the training treadmill we need to stay there until we luck out again or the league agrees to let us get a top 3 pick. I know we aren't the league darlings, like San Antonio and Dallas or the vaunted Lakers, but eventually they might want to cover up the fact that we are the league farm team and give us a shot at a #2 or #3 pick, probably in a ****** draft like the last couple of times we got the #3 picks, but hey, we could get lucky!

So the next answer is never stop tanking until we get that lucky draft that let's us hope we are out of the NBA sewer for a while.

Damn I literally voted other for the exact same reason.

In my house I have a tankless water heater but I think the Jazz should have a bottomless tank. Just keep going forever. Far more exciting to fantasize about drafting the next Jordan then fantasizing about going to the conference finals eventually.

 

[Jingled]

The tank has to be over after this year, once we secure our 26 draft pick. There is no way the front office can expect fans to sit through any more of this. Watching games and rooting for the Jazz to lose after spending my entire life cheering for them to win every game has been a strange and somewhat depressing experience. I still try to watch every game, but I very rarely even post here anymore...I just don't have any desire or motivation to do so with the current state of the team.

 

[zags422]

I think that the Jazz after this year will start to put the throttle down. I think the question is what does that actually look like? If Lauri were to get traded this year then we will be in tank mode for another 2-3 years if people like it or not.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Yeah, like, the 2027 draft is really bad so I don't know if the Jazz will be trying very hard to tank.

But we're not going to be good in 2026-2027 most likely.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I think that the Jazz after this year will start to put the throttle down. I think the question is what does that actually look like? If Lauri were to get traded this year then we will be in tank mode for another 2-3 years if people like it or not.

Yeah it would certainly seem that way. I maintain that tanking is bad for team culture regardless how it is implemented. Confidence is an elusive thing and players that have been conditioned to accept defeat also learn to lack confidence, particularly in clutch situations. I advocate going hard with the gang intact until the end of January, see where we’re at and if positive, negotiate a deal with OKC to keep this year’s pick and start next year with all our players intact - unless we can upgrade via free agency or buy out. I look at Cody and Taylor and even Ace and Walt and see still a long road ahead in development. I look at a guy like Sion James and see somebody that’s right there with the lottery crew. The time is now and we won’t do any better than Lauri, particularly from a team chemistry perspective.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I have to admit I'm surprised by the results. I figured a large portion of the board would vote for next year, but didn't think it would be the overwhelming majority. I guess it's the vocal minority that makes a lot of noise about tanking until we draft a superstar.

I suppose the tank has worn a lot of us down to the point where we started out hoping for an MVP level talent, but now we're just ready for it to be over

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I can say with a huge degree of confidence that the tank is over after this year.

Are you referring to inside information or just that the tea leaves are that obvious?

 

[SoUjazzfan]

With how physical teams are playing Lauri, he may not survive past the all star break. Time to run a few plays for other players. ( Hopefully the young ones.) Key gets ruffed up plenty also.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Are you referring to inside information or just that the tea leaves are that obvious?

Tony mentioned it on twitter yesterday. He had mentioned it before I believe. I think it all points that way tbh.

 

[KqWIN]

There's like 1 million signs that point to this being the last year....whether or not that's the right decision really depends on how the lotto balls fall.

 

[Park Bites]

Ok I will have to wax philisophical. There are different types of "Tanking" The blatant tanking the Jazz did last year. sitting healthy players and playing young guys throwing games all that awful stuff. I hated last year. I loved getting Ace Then there is the orgagnic tanking more of what the jazz did this year where they trade off the vets to play the younger guys but are still trying to win. I can tolerate this kind of tanking if it will bring us the players that we need. There is also just losing because your players are young and you are developing those players but development is the key.

There is also the option of being able to trade for the right person to turn you program around. Imagine if the Jazz had made that trade for Doncic. Not saying the would have got him but just saying. If the right player comes along you have to be ready to pounce and make the most of it. Lets say Minny goes down the crapper and they realize they can not compete and Edwards became available? Or Tatum or Brown? top 10 pieces that you can build a chapmionship around with out destroying your depth. (That is the key)

I do not think we have an answer yet I am loving what I see with this team but with out Kessler Jazz are just going to be awful defensively. This year is in the crapper no matter what. I want to see more development from George and the young guys. Let they prove they are the future. Lets make this and Organic tank get our player and in 3 to 5 years be a contender. Hope that the right person becomes available to make that move. You might be able to steal some of the players in OKC because they cant pay everyone.

 

[slc]

I am all for trying to get that pick back from OKC
Even a 9-14 lottery pick will get Jazz another young player
But what would OKC take? Offer them a choice of one of Jazz young players?
Who is expendable?
Williams, Collier, Flip, Hendricks, Brice, Kessler, etc?
Not Ace, not George, not Clayton etc.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I have to admit I'm surprised by the results. I figured a large portion of the board would vote for next year, but didn't think it would be the overwhelming majority. I guess it's the vocal minority that makes a lot of noise about tanking until we draft a superstar.

I suppose the tank has worn a lot of us down to the point where we started out hoping for an MVP level talent, but now we're just ready for it to be over

The issue just keeps coming back to the original sin: we needed to actually, seriously tank for multiple seasons but only have done it once. But since we did half-*** tanking we got none of the benefit for basically the same amount of pain of non-stop tanking.

 

[fishonjazz]

There is also the option of being able to trade for the right person to turn you program around. Imagine if the Jazz had made that trade for Doncic. Not saying the would have got him but just saying. If the right player comes along you have to be ready to pounce and make the most of it. Lets say Minny goes down the crapper and they realize they can not compete and Edwards became available? Or Tatum or Brown? top 10 pieces that you can build a chapmionship around with out destroying your depth. (That is the key)

Tanking kind of helps with this imo. Usually a team trading that caliber of player is giving up and starting over (otherwise why trade an mvp level player while they are in their prime) and want young high potential players and good draft picks. Which tanking teams often have.