Where is that pit bull thread when I need it?

[SaltyDawg]

The point is clipping the ears is part of the official standard for the breed, which means that a breeder who feels that is a telling sign of the high end of the breed will do that to every puppy, meaning you cannot make assumptions based on that feature alone. Much like bobbing the tail is a breed standard that is optional on some breeds according to the AKC. It does not necessarily have anything to do with a negligent or homicidal owner.

And why do they clip the ears and tails?

It absolutely is telling if the ears/tail are clipped. Even if they were done by a previous owner, they have still probably been taught to be mean at some point.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think such a high percentage of dog attacks are from pit bulls because that is the trashy losers' dog of choice.

If rots, dobies, or shepherds were the "cool" dog for losers, then you'd probably see that breed with the highest percentage of attacks.

This is far too simplistic an argument. You cannot quantify "loserness" of the owners. You can't tell from the data which owners were "losers" and which were like the guy in Fernley who by all accounts was a responsible owner. In fact in most cases I have read about in the news they identify the dog as having been gentle and loving up to the point of the attack. I haven't heard of many where they reported that the guy in the ratty trailer wearing the wife beater and mullet fed his dog raw meet and kicked and whipped it daily then set it loose on the town at night.

 

[SaltyDawg]

This is far too simplistic an argument. You cannot quantify "loserness" of the owners. You can't tell from the data which owners were "losers" and which were like the guy in Fernley who by all accounts was a responsible owner. In fact in most cases I have read about in the news they identify the dog as having been gentle and loving up to the point of the attack. I haven't heard of many where they reported that the guy in the ratty trailer wearing the wife beater and mullet fed his dog raw meet and kicked and whipped it daily then set it loose on the town at night.

Funny, because almost all of the pit bull attacks I have read about had owners that I wouldn't let watch my kids.

I know there is no data on this. I don't think it's even possible to track. But it's funny that most of the the people in the "pits are inherently viscous" camp have never owned one, and most people that have owned one are in the "pits turn out the way they are raised to be" camp.

 

[LogGrad98]

And why do they clip the ears and tails?

It absolutely is telling if the ears/tail are clipped. Even if they were done by a previous owner, they have still probably been taught to be mean at some point.

https://www.realpitbull.com/akcstandard.html

Head
Medium length, deep through, broad skull, very pronounced cheek muscles, distinct stop; and ears are set high.
Ears - Cropped or uncropped, the latter preferred. Uncropped ears should be short and held rose or half prick. Full
drop to be penalized. Eyes - Dark and round, low down in skull and set far apart. No pink eyelids. Muzzle - Medium
length, rounded on upper side to fall away abruptly below eyes. Jaws well defined. Underjaw to be strong and
have biting power. Lips close and even, no looseness. Upper teeth to meet tightly outside lower teeth in front.
Nose definitely black.

https://www.realpitbull.com/ukcstandard.html

EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. Prick or flat, wide ears are not
desired.

https://www.realpitbull.com/aadrstandard.html

Ears

Natural or cropped. The natural ears should ideally be medium sized and rose shaped (folded back), but half prick
(semi erect) or half drop ears are acceptable. Full drop and fully erect (bat) ears are undesirable. The ears should
be set on the skull so that an invisible line could be drawn from the outside corner of the eye to midway between
the top and bottom of the inner formation of the ear (burr), when viewed from the front.

Again, cropped ears can be part of the breed standard. It does not mean anything more than that particular breeder felt it was a better look for the dog. If you want to make wild assumptions that's fine, but none of the major breeding associations make a big deal out of cropped or natural ears. You cannot make any kind of judgement about the dog, breeder, or owner based on that characteristic.

 

[SaltyDawg]

https://www.realpitbull.com/akcstandard.html



https://www.realpitbull.com/ukcstandard.html



https://www.realpitbull.com/aadrstandard.html



Again, cropped ears can be part of the breed standard. It does not mean anything more than that particular breeder felt it was a better look for the dog. If you want to make wild assumptions that's fine, but none of the major breeding associations make a big deal out of cropped or natural ears. You cannot make any kind of judgement about the dog, breeder, or owner based on that characteristic.

The ears and tail are clipped so they aren't liabilities in a fight. It may be considered "standard" by some breeders, but that is because they are trying to breed a viscous dog. It absolutely is telling if the pit has clipped ears/tail.

 

[LogGrad98]

The ears and tail are clipped so they aren't liabilities in a fight. It may be considered "standard" by some breeders, but that is because they are trying to breed a viscous dog. It absolutely is telling if the pit has clipped ears/tail.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. This sure doesn't sound like it fits that mold though.

https://www.gopitbull.com/general-discussion/10690-why-do-people-crop-ears.html

But I forget that many people sharing an opinion different than yours are all simply wrong, so you can go on living in your delusion that any and all pitbulls with cropped ears have it done solely so they dog can be a meaner fighter.

 

[GoJazz]

I think we should ban all dogs and cats. These are wild animals that we only think we have domesticated. Pit Bull, German Shepard, or Fox Hound. They all have mouths and and can bite. I would also ban guns, cars, ropes, and any other item that could hurt someone with a unresponable owner. I mean it has nothing to do with the owner and everything to do with the animal, gun, drink, or item...

 

[SaltyDawg]

You are of course entitled to your opinion. This sure doesn't sound like it fits that mold though.

https://www.gopitbull.com/general-discussion/10690-why-do-people-crop-ears.html

But I forget that many people sharing an opinion different than yours are all simply wrong, so you can go on living in your delusion that any and all pitbulls with cropped ears have it done solely so they dog can be a meaner fighter.

I know you had to see several links similar to this in your search... It's not my opinion, this is a fact that anyone who really knows about pit bulls already understands.
https://hqbullies.com/info/pitbull-ear-cropping-styles/

" Originally bred for bull-baiting, pit bulls historically had their ears cropped to prevent damage to them during a fight"

 

[LogGrad98]

I know you had to see several links similar to this in your search... It's not my opinion, this is a fact that anyone who really knows about pit bulls already understands.
https://hqbullies.com/info/pitbull-ear-cropping-styles/

" Originally bred for bull-baiting, pit bulls historically had their ears cropped to prevent damage to them during a fight"

So of course, logically, EVERYONE who ever crops a pitbulls ears TODAY does it SOLELY to prevent damage during the fight. Gotcha. Stereotyping at its best.

Cropping the ears is just for looks, showing, although I have heard that sometimes cropping is recommend for certain health issues. There are other breeds that get there ears cropped such as boxers, great danes, doobee's, other bully breeds, etc. Getting the tail docked is a style also and for certain breeds is a must for the show ring, however it is a big no no for pitbulls.

Cropping the ears is a personal choice. People do it for the look, showing, etc.

Primarily for looks, but I will tell you my reason. I did it because the first pitbull we had my brother cropped his ears, so that is what I got accustomed to as far as the look of a pitbull, so I ran with it

Anywho, the cropped ears are traditional of being a working dog, many of the mastiff and early bulldog types had cut ears to show they're working dogs and this might have also been a form of ownership ID to distinguish particular dogs from the stray masses. (This is still done with many mastiff/herding breeds in their native countries.)

https://www.gopitbull.com/general-discussion/10690-why-do-people-crop-ears.html

Of course, they are all probably lying, since they disagree with you as to the reason they cropped their dogs' ears. The only reason anyone would ever crop a pitbulls ears is for fighting. You have completely proven that. No one who has ever owned a pitbull, in the history of the breed, every cropped their ears for looks or some other reason, only for fighting. Got it.

 

[LogGrad98]

A pit bull puppy should have it's ears cut anywhere from 9-13 weeks of age. The time frame varies according to the vet that you are using but this is the optimal timeframe. This in no way is done for fighting purposes. We would never fight our dogs, as they are our family members. I feel that having the ears cut makes a big difference in the look of the dog. It is purely cosmetic and provides a clean polished look. However, leaving the ears uncut is a personal preference that you will have to decide for yourself.

https://www.bryantsreddevils.com/Faqs.html

Of course this guy is probably secretly teaching his dogs to fight and kill and fights them for money. Since NO ONE ever crops ears for any other reason than to put the dog in fights. In fact I found the blatant lie on his website:

Are pit bulls good with young children?

Pit bulls are GREAT with young children. Our children have played with our pits ever since they could walk, and before they could walk we made sure that the dogs seen them and knew that they are a part of our family. Our kids, ages 7 and 9 years old, play with our pit bulls daily. The dogs look out for them and protect them if they feel it's necessary. They would never harm our children because they see them as their kids also.

That blatant lie is an obvious sign of someone who secretly crops the dogs' ears so he can fight them. Obviously.

 

[Scat]

Of course, they are all probably lying, since they disagree with you as to the reason they cropped their dogs' ears.

They aren't lying. They are just flat out wrong as their world view does not match that of Salty's.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So of course, logically, EVERYONE who ever crops a pitbulls ears TODAY does it SOLELY to prevent damage during the fight. Gotcha. Stereotyping at its best.









https://www.gopitbull.com/general-discussion/10690-why-do-people-crop-ears.html

Of course, they are all probably lying, since they disagree with you as to the reason they cropped their dogs' ears. The only reason anyone would ever crop a pitbulls ears is for fighting. You have completely proven that. No one who has ever owned a pitbull, in the history of the breed, every cropped their ears for looks or some other reason, only for fighting. Got it.

Maybe they didn't want it to really be mean, they just wanted it to look mean. Either way, it is still a pretty good indicator about the type of owners that dog has had.

I guess if you don't understand what the cropped ears are for, then it's no surprise you think all pit bulls are inherently evil.