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Who'd you rather have; Goran Dragic or George Hill?

Game6Conley

Game6Conley

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Interestingly enough they were born 2 days apart in 1986..

Prediction; Much (off-topic)attention will be paid to the fact that I created this thread.

Reminder; This is in fact a good question. One worth asking for a variety of reasons.

Dragic is on the books for 35MM the next 2 seasons then has a player option for 19MM in the summer of 2019. Hill as we know is a pending unrestricted free agent.

The season stats, I'm gonna leave em up there blind you figure out who's who.
MPG; 31.6 - 34.3
PPG; 17.8 - 20.3
FGA's; 12.8 - 15.2
FG%; .475 - .484
3PTA's; 5.0 - 3.8
3PT%; .394 - .437
FTA's; 4.2 - 5.0
FT%; .792 - .787
GP; 31 - 48
RPG; 3.4 - 3.9
APG; 4.0 - 6.3
TO's; 1.4 - 3.2
PER; 20.4 - 19.4
Blocks and Steals pretty much identical.


Not responding to any posts in this thread so have at it.
 
I was going to add some valuable dialogue but then I saw that you weren't going to be responding to any posts.
 
If you factor in contract situation Dragic... if you factor in the assets needed to make a trade it'd be Hill. I think I'd rather overpay hill.
 
Two pretty equal players. Would be better to have the one who's under contract longer and will probabaly make less money next year. Not sure what the point is.
 
Two important things here.

1) Defense matters. Dragic is not so great at it, Hill is.

2) Pace. Dragic thrives in a fast pace, not so much with a slow pace. Snyder refuses to play at a fast pace with this team. We don't even attack in transition. I don't see Dragic being a better fit than George.
 
JustTheTip said:
Two important things here.

1) Defense matters. Dragic is not so great at it, Hill is.

2) Pace. Dragic thrives in a fast pace, not so much with a slow pace. Snyder refuses to play at a fast pace with this team. We don't even attack in transition. I don't see Dragic being a better fit than George.
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I really doubt Quin refuses to play at a fast pace (he has said he wants to play faster and you can hear him yell at the team to push the pace at times), I think it's more of the personnel on the team and how they are use to playing the last few years. Old habits die hard.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I really doubt Quin refuses to play at a fast pace (he has said he wants to play faster and you can hear him yell at the team to push the pace at times), I think it's more of the personnel on the team and how they are use to playing the last few years. Old habits die hard.
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He doesn't want to play fast with this personnel for defensive reasons. I understand it, I just don't agree with it.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, I think he wants to play faster. He is yelling at them all the time to push the ball.
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Well then his coaching/teaching is ineffective as hell. And we never, ever, Rush. We could be down 10 with 2 minutes left and walk the ball up. It happens consistently. That's coaching man.
 
JustTheTip said:
Well then his coaching/teaching is ineffective as hell. And we never, ever, Rush. We could be down 10 with 2 minutes left and walk the ball up. It happens consistently. That's coaching man.
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I think it's just habits and the fact we have a slow paced roster. Very little to do with coaching. AB goes in there and he tries to push and attack because he is a player that can do that.
 
JustTheTip said:
No way. If he wanted them to go faster, we could be. Pace is on him.
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He tells them to play faster, you can hear him during the game and during interviews talking about wanting to play with more pace. The Jazz have slow players who play slowly. It's a lot of habit and it's personnel just being slow for their positions at a lot of positions. It's 100% just a habit with our players. It's their comfort zone.

It's not like he can just snap his fingers and they all the sudden becomes a top 10 pace team or he can teach them a whole new play style mid season.
 
That was a big part of the reason why Larry Bird wanted to go from Hill to Teague, he wanted a PG who could push the pace better. We just don't have a great team to play fast. I wish we would take advantage of more even numbers brakes, especially on Hayward's part, but the reality is we dont have the personnel a lot of the time on the court to do so.
 
JustTheTip said:
Two important things here.

1) Defense matters. Dragic is not so great at it, Hill is.

2) Pace. Dragic thrives in a fast pace, not so much with a slow pace. Snyder refuses to play at a fast pace with this team. We don't even attack in transition. I don't see Dragic being a better fit than George.
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Usually don't agree with the poster, but +1 this!
I'd add that Dragic really loves to touch the ball. Hill can defer for stretches when he isn't hot or someone is particularly hot or has a mismatch.
 
I have always really like dragic. I choose him.
 
Dragic seems to really blossom only when he has a high usage rate. This Jazz team already has enough scorers - although one watching the Clippers game would not noticed it -, so I think Dragic would not work well here. Besides, Hill seems to be a better defender.

I would prefer Hill on the Jazz roster.
 
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