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Woj: Don to the Cavs for Markkanen, Agbaji, Sexton, three unprotected 1sts, two swaps, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Elizah Huge said:
A few years ago I don’t think a single person predicted we’d be in the spot we are now and that is exactly why anything can happen.
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Ok, but there is one freaking huge massive difference:

Utah owns their picks so it makes sense for them to be bad. A team that does not own their picks will not have the incentive to blow things up. The position Utah is currently in was 100% a choice.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ok, but there is one freaking huge massive difference:

Utah owns their picks so it makes sense for them to be bad. A team that does not own their picks will not have the incentive to blow things up. The position Utah is currently in was 100% a choice.
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I just said anything can happen which is true. People are acting like Garland/Mobley will lead them to 7 straight conference finals and will be together until 2035.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's also just generally hard to be terrible if there is absolutely no incentive to be bad.
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Yes but I could see some of these picks still hitting the lotto. With new odds you have an okayish chance at landing top 4... agree with your point though... they won't join the tank race. But you could hit like OKC and NOP did this year on the Lakers and Clips. Houston is also in danger of giving up some good picks if they don't get decent soon. They owe 24 and 26 to OKC unless they land top 4.

Sometimes life comes at you fast.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes but I could see some of these picks still hitting the lotto. With new odds you have an okayish chance at landing top 4... agree with your point though... they won't join the tank race. But you could hit like OKC and NOP did this year on the Lakers and Clips. Houston is also in danger of giving up some good picks if they don't get decent soon. They owe 24 and 26 to OKC unless they land top 4.

Sometimes life comes at you fast.
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The most optimistic thing I can say is that the East is really good right now so maybe they can have an unlucky year where they get pushed out.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The most optimistic thing I can say is that the East is really good right now so maybe they can have an unlucky year where they get pushed out.
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I don't think teams have fully calibrated the risk of the play in tournament and the potential reward of the lotto odds changing. Only the top 6 teams in each conference being in the playoffs leaves like a 25%-33% chance that a team that should have made the playoffs ends up in the lotto. Happened to Clips last year... Warriors the year before. Its only like a 2.5%-9% chance it jumps to top 4... but it will happen at some point.

While they may not tank... they might shut it down like the Lakers did last year. They end up with some injuries and nothing to play for so they land 7/8 which gives you a 25-30% chance.

It is more likely those picks fall between 18-30 than we get a top 4 pick though. Teams that aren't confident that they will be good don't give up far out unprotected picks though... so you just have to bet that bad **** will happen.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think teams have fully calibrated the risk of the play in tournament and the potential reward of the lotto odds changing. Only the top 6 teams in each conference being in the playoffs leaves like a 25%-33% chance that a team that should have made the playoffs ends up in the lotto. Happened to Clips last year... Warriors the year before. Its only like a 2.5%-9% chance it jumps to top 4... but it will happen at some point.

While they may not tank... they might shut it down like the Lakers did last year. They end up with some injuries and nothing to play for so they land 7/8 which gives you a 25-30% chance.

It is more likely those picks fall between 18-30 than we get a top 4 pick though. Teams that aren't confident that they will be good don't give up far out unprotected picks though... so you just have to bet that bad **** will happen.
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Yeah, sure, but we are talking about if we get lucky we might get the 12th pick.

Which would be great.

But I'm still team trade them as soon as you get a more clear sense of the team's direction.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, sure, but we are talking about if we get lucky we might get the 12th pick.

Which would be great.

But I'm still team trade them as soon as you get a more clear sense of the team's direction.
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You can also do what NO did with the Milwaukee pick they traded… trade the pick but add top 4 protection… so if it’s hits big you still keep some upside.

The best value may be as a trade asset but I’d be opportunistic rather than shopping the picks real hard.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Garland already locked up for what would feed into the 25/27 draft... might have asked out by then but who knows... and that is the point... a lot can happen.

I think Cavs end up moving Don next summer for Barrett and a couple picks... or to Miami for Herro and stuff.
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I actually think RJ Barrett fits pretty well with their group as the big wing that they're currently lacking.

I think the only way they'd trade him after a year is if he asked out though. And I don't really see him doing that considering how obsessed he seems to be with maintaining his public image.
 
This is a massive all in move by Cleveland. Problems they have is giving up what they did, means no margin for error. Utah has a pretty bright future, if they don't turn around and move any of these 3. One season on the retool and bring in Myles Turner in unrestricted or maybe Steven Adams makes sense?
I think Agbaji is destined for ROY
 
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