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Zach Lavine's rise to greatness

NAOS said:
so, No?... you can't support with evidence? You can only make this personal?
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What you think is evidence, isn't evidence.

If Lavine played on the Warriors his real plus minus would have been A LOT higher.

You just keep avoid acknowledging that your teamates matter with those stats.
 
Hack said:
What you think is evidence, isn't evidence.

If Lavine played on the Warriors his real plus minus would have been A LOT higher.

You just keep avoid acknowledging that your teamates matter with those stats.
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He wouldn't have gotten mminutes on the Warriors, but I guess 0 is higher than negative.
 
NAOS said:
Exum was a plus-defender as a 19-year old... every metric supports that. That's not nothing. There were a string of games where he had the 5th best Stay-In-Front percentage of any guard in the NBA.
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His defense was pretty good. But most his defensive numbers are skewed by the fact he played on a great defensive team that led by Rudy Gobert. Without Rudy in there, the Jazz defense would have been a lot worse. I bet that would have even changed his stay in front of percentage without Rudy. Guards see less of a path with a rim protector in there. It actually could have been skewed quite a bit. But again, another thing you refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't help your argument.

On offense, he was dreadful. Didn't even look like he belonged in the NBA. If he was a D leaguers that came in, there would be a good chance he would have been cut real quick.
 
Hack said:
What you think is evidence, isn't evidence.

If Lavine played on the Warriors his real plus minus would have been A LOT higher.

You just keep avoid acknowledging that your teamates matter with those stats.
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So you still don't have any evidence of your own? How long are you going to try to poke holes in MY EVIDENCE? It's pathetic and you're failing. It's also clear that you don't know what that stats I quoted actually adjust for, etc.

You're really embarrassing yourself right now. Can somebody text Jody? He'd like to be here for this.
 
Hack said:
His defense was pretty good. But most his defensive numbers are skewed by the fact he played on a great defensive team that led by Rudy Gobert. Without Rudy in there, the Jazz defense would have been a lot worse. I bet that would have even changed his stay in front of percentage without Rudy. Guards see less of a path with a rim protector in there. It actually could have been skewed quite a bit. But again, another thing you refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't help your argument.

On offense, he was dreadful. Didn't even look like he belonged in the NBA. If he was a D leaguers that came in, there would be a good chance he would have been cut real quick.
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wow. reaching! pathetic!

Still no evidence of your own?
 
King Cy said:
He wouldn't have gotten mminutes on the Warriors, but I guess 0 is higher than negative.
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That's just wrong. But it's also not even the point of the thought experiment. If he got a minutes on a good team his plus minus would have been higher.
 
NAOS said:
Rather, what does MY OPINION of Exum have to do with LaVine?
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Because it shows you have no consistency in your opinion. You are just choosing to be hater on Lavine with no real evidence to back up your claim.
 
Hack said:
Because it shows you have no consistency in your opinion. You are just choosing to be hater on Lavine with no real evidence to back up your claim.
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I don't see how any of this made up **** has anything to do with Zach LaVine and his ability to play basketball.
 
for the record, I have a reasoned and consistent opinion about how I see the developmental trajectories of both players. It's your inability to grasp even course-grained nuance that prevents you from understanding it.
 
NAOS said:
for the record, I have a reasoned and consistent opinion about how I see the developmental trajectories of both players. It's your inability to grasp even course-grained nuance that prevents you from understanding it.
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I'm not a wishy washy fence sitter like you.

I'm bold, and out on dem limbs
 
Hack said:
That's just wrong. But it's also not even the point of the thought experiment. If he got a minutes on a good team his plus minus would have been higher.
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Maybe he would have gotten those Justin Holiday minutes (2.2 per game), he wouldn't have played over Barbosa, Igoudala, or Livingston.
 
Hack said:
I'm not a wishy washy fence sitter like you.
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I'm gonna let you in on a secret: you're out on your own island. And nobody who's paying attention believes the stupid **** you say about me. AND, your personal attacks are looking especially pathetic in this context right now when I'm trying to give you a stage to make a reasoned argument. And you can't. Phew, it's looking bad for you brough
 
I mean, David Lee, a guy who is really good offensively but can't play defense, only got 8 mpg on the Warriors. LaVine would have never seen the floor unless it was a blowout.
 
NAOS said:
apparently you don't even know what evidence is.
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Really?

Tell me how his real plus minus is evidence he sucks. While simultaneously explaining how his teamates don't effect that.

I'm waiting. I've been waiting for you to explain that, but you keep dodging it. I'm giving the platform to do it.

Please do. Quit running from it.
 
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