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Zach Lavine's rise to greatness

NAOS said:
so, No?... you can't support with evidence? You can only make this personal?
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What you think is evidence, isn't evidence.

If Lavine played on the Warriors his real plus minus would have been A LOT higher.

You just keep avoid acknowledging that your teamates matter with those stats.
 
Hack said:
What you think is evidence, isn't evidence.

If Lavine played on the Warriors his real plus minus would have been A LOT higher.

You just keep avoid acknowledging that your teamates matter with those stats.
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He wouldn't have gotten mminutes on the Warriors, but I guess 0 is higher than negative.
 
NAOS said:
Exum was a plus-defender as a 19-year old... every metric supports that. That's not nothing. There were a string of games where he had the 5th best Stay-In-Front percentage of any guard in the NBA.
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His defense was pretty good. But most his defensive numbers are skewed by the fact he played on a great defensive team that led by Rudy Gobert. Without Rudy in there, the Jazz defense would have been a lot worse. I bet that would have even changed his stay in front of percentage without Rudy. Guards see less of a path with a rim protector in there. It actually could have been skewed quite a bit. But again, another thing you refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't help your argument.

On offense, he was dreadful. Didn't even look like he belonged in the NBA. If he was a D leaguers that came in, there would be a good chance he would have been cut real quick.
 
Hack said:
What you think is evidence, isn't evidence.

If Lavine played on the Warriors his real plus minus would have been A LOT higher.

You just keep avoid acknowledging that your teamates matter with those stats.
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So you still don't have any evidence of your own? How long are you going to try to poke holes in MY EVIDENCE? It's pathetic and you're failing. It's also clear that you don't know what that stats I quoted actually adjust for, etc.

You're really embarrassing yourself right now. Can somebody text Jody? He'd like to be here for this.
 
Hack said:
His defense was pretty good. But most his defensive numbers are skewed by the fact he played on a great defensive team that led by Rudy Gobert. Without Rudy in there, the Jazz defense would have been a lot worse. I bet that would have even changed his stay in front of percentage without Rudy. Guards see less of a path with a rim protector in there. It actually could have been skewed quite a bit. But again, another thing you refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't help your argument.

On offense, he was dreadful. Didn't even look like he belonged in the NBA. If he was a D leaguers that came in, there would be a good chance he would have been cut real quick.
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wow. reaching! pathetic!

Still no evidence of your own?
 
King Cy said:
He wouldn't have gotten mminutes on the Warriors, but I guess 0 is higher than negative.
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That's just wrong. But it's also not even the point of the thought experiment. If he got a minutes on a good team his plus minus would have been higher.
 
NAOS said:
Rather, what does MY OPINION of Exum have to do with LaVine?
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Because it shows you have no consistency in your opinion. You are just choosing to be hater on Lavine with no real evidence to back up your claim.
 
Hack said:
Because it shows you have no consistency in your opinion. You are just choosing to be hater on Lavine with no real evidence to back up your claim.
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I don't see how any of this made up **** has anything to do with Zach LaVine and his ability to play basketball.
 
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