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Zach Lowe on Jazz' starting lineup

David Stern said:
Let's trade Rubio for Fournier, start Mitchell and Fournier in the back court, and see what happens the rest of the season. Maybe Favors/Gobert will work still, and we can resign Favs on the cheap this offseason.
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Favors is gone. If he goes anywhere cheap, it will be Atlanta. He is gonna Paul Millsap us, and I do not blame him.
 
stitches said:
You can find threads around here from 2015-2016 probably suggesting we should trade for Rubio(when we were looking for a PG that became George Hill) where I predicted the exact same thing and I was harping on how bad of a fit he will be with our front court. This is what's so mind-boggling for me with this one... How can a GM... a good GM with experience, a GM that constructed the 2016-2017 roster(which I thought was masterfully constructed)... how can he think this will work? This was NOT hard to see. I refuse to accept that this one was hard to see.
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I think you're getting a little full of yourself here, TBH.

First off, let's stop talking about Rubio as if that decision was made AFTER they knew Haywood wasn't coming back. Part of the reason DL gambled on Ricky was because Hill screwed us. DL was desperate for a PG and Rubio was one that was available. Let's also not forget that Rubio had a stretch of ball last year that was the best of his career, so there was some hope he might be turning a corner somewhat, or that he might find new life in a new situation.

Anyway, as badly as things have gone, Gobert has been hurt a big part of the year, and the team has never really had a chance to jell, considering how big of a roster turnover we had from last year. The starting lineup Quin uses doesn't really play enough minutes together to be able to say it's the biggest problem.
 
stitches said:
You can find threads around here from 2015-2016 probably suggesting we should trade for Rubio(when we were looking for a PG that became George Hill) where I predicted the exact same thing and I was harping on how bad of a fit he will be with our front court. This is what's so mind-boggling for me with this one... How can a GM... a good GM with experience, a GM that constructed the 2016-2017 roster(which I thought was masterfully constructed)... how can he think this will work? This was NOT hard to see. I refuse to accept that this one was hard to see. This was probably the most obvious roster-construction blunder I've ever seen in my 20 something year NBA fandom. This was horrific from the very idea. It was doomed from the start... and we paid a good first round pick to see the train-wreck happen before our eyes for the duration of a full season(and possibly more).
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His shot was looking like it turned the corner after the all star break last year. As well if Hayward liked him and it saved the Jazz some money, it's not too hard to see why DL went after him.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
This does suck. Rubio is easy to cheer for, great off the court and hustles whenever he is on the court. I was really hoping his shooting inefficiency was overstated, but it is not. I am not sure Rubio is an effective starter in todays NBA (unless he has four shooters I guess).

I would trade Rubio for an expiring or I would use his contract to get someone in a longer contract that a team wants to "dump". Like: Rubio / Hood for Evan Fournier (I don't want to get in all the trade details, but those would be the principle parts.)

If Rubio stays, he might have to swallow his pride and go to the bench. Perhaps he can finish at the rim when he is playing against the second unit.

For basketball purposes, I would rather trade Rubio than Burks. Burks can at least shoot the ball decently.
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I like it. It works.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybxuk8hy
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He seems to be a very positive locker-room and community presence. I think that is worth not completely giving up on him and giving him a chance w/ a roster that is better suited to him (and to the whole team).
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That roster better not include Gobert. Because those 2 are not suited together on the floor. Let him be a positive locker-room guy from the bench, or for somebody else. Right now I'd trade him for anything that does not bring back long term salary.
 
freakazoid said:
I think you're getting a little full of yourself here, TBH.

First off, let's stop talking about Rubio as if that decision was made AFTER they knew Haywood wasn't coming back. Part of the reason DL gambled on Ricky was because Hill screwed us. DL was desperate for a PG and Rubio was one that was available. Let's also not forget that Rubio had a stretch of ball last year that was the best of his career, so there was some hope he might be turning a corner somewhat, or that he might find new life in a new situation.

Anyway, as badly as things have gone, Gobert has been hurt a big part of the year, and the team has never really had a chance to jell, considering how big of a roster turnover we had from last year. The starting lineup Quin uses doesn't really play enough minutes together to be able to say it's the biggest problem.
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I'm not getting full of myself - on the contrary. I am not saying any of this to be like "look at me and how smart I was". I'm posting it to say the complete opposite - almost everybody saw it and saw it years ago. There are threads from 2015 on RealGM where people discuss how horrible of a fit Rubio will be with Gobert and Favors. It's not something only I saw. It should have been easy to see for everybody and especially for an NBA GM. It was the most obvious thing ever. If it was hard to see or only a few people saw it happening, it would be more understandable. This is NOT understandable to me.

And this is not contingent on Hayward being here or not. Rubio would have been horrible match for this system with or without Hayward, simply because the absence of Hayward is not what's screwing those lineups over - it's the presence of Rubio(along with the other 2 non-spacers) and his fit with the system... a system that requires a PG who's best with the ball in his hands to give up the ball and cut and go space in the corner... a PG who's shooting 30% career 3p% and is horrible finisher in the paint(in other words - you take away his best attributes and you emphasize his worst). But yeah, I agree that DL panicked and got Rubio in a last ditch effort to keep Hayward and this was a mistake.

BTW can you guess what happened mid-way through the season last year so Rubio would play the best ball of his career? Lavine got injured and Thibs gave the ball in Rubio's hands and ran the offense through him. In other words - he used his best attribute... and Rubio had a lucky 1 month stretch of shooting. That's it.
 
Brsn said:
His shot was looking like it turned the corner after the all star break last year. As well if Hayward liked him and it saved the Jazz some money, it's not too hard to see why DL went after him.
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Why did DL trust 1 month hot streak over over 6 years sample of horrible shooting? Yes, it was 1 month!
Here are his splits:
Oct 0%
Nov 28%
Dec 29%
Jan 28%
Feb 32%
Mar 44% <- this is his whole "turning of the corner"
Apr 15%

Those 44% are 18 makes out of 41 attempts, that's on less than 3 attempts per game. Why would anyone think this exact month is representative of his shooting when he's never been a good shooter?
 
The thing that made Nash/Kobe so bad (and what I am not alone in forseeing problems with) is that the way both of those guys are good and excel is by having the ball in their hands, so it mitigated both of their strengths. But that’s Nash and Kobe. Even if you take away what makes them shine, both of those guys can shoot the ball. If Kobe and Nash can shoot the ball but doesn’t work playing them off ball, a complete moron would know that Ricky won’t work off ball.
 
infection said:
The thing that made Nash/Kobe so bad (and what I am not alone in forseeing problems with) is that the way both of those guys are good and excel is by having the ball in their hands, so it mitigated both of their strengths. But that’s Nash and Kobe. Even if you take away what makes them shine, both of those guys can shoot the ball. If Kobe and Nash can shoot the ball but doesn’t work playing them off ball, a complete moron would know that Ricky won’t work off ball.
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It was because Nash was washed up af and they had Howard's worst season to work with.
 
NUMBERICA said:
They didn't fit.
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Because Nash was 38 year old and got injured, Kobe got injured a few times, Howard had an attitude problem from day 1, Pau was recovering from an serious injury, iirc.

No one can make me believe 34 years old Nash and Kobe wouldn't fit.
 
infection said:
I like it. It works.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybxuk8hy
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Don’t love it (still a fan of Rodney). . . but if the Jazz aren’t sold on keeping him long term, then I can easily live with that deal. Especially if it saves Utah from using a 1st round pick to either A.) move Rubio or B.) add Fournier. Plus, they still have the contracts of Favors, Joe Jesus, Burks, Thabo and Jerebko to make additional moves - now or during the draft.
 
Hekate said:
Because Nash was 38 year old and got injured, Kobe got injured a few times, Howard had an attitude problem from day 1, Pau was recovering from an serious injury, iirc.

No one can make me believe 34 years old Nash and Kobe wouldn't fit.
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Kobe has never worked well with another real ballhandler.
 
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