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Zach Lowe's take on Hayward's Contract situation

Hotttnickkk said:
Bro, I don't have time to go through all our draft picks in years' past to do that, but:

- As fishonjazz alluded to earlier, this year alone we had: Gobert, Neto, Biederins joined our ranks

- In the CURRENT starting line-up we have x2 potential Jazz lifers in: Hayward and Kanter

- In the past we've given the BIG CONTRACTS to the foollowing players and also had them in the SAME starting line-up at 1 point: DWill, Harpring, Kirilenko, Boozer, Okur.

It's just my observation bro, no need to get your panties in a twist over this, it's really no biggie.
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Do you really think Gobert, Boozer and D Will are white? What planet are you from? They are just as white as you are bro.

And why have you not addressed the Lakers comment yet? They are clearly more in love with white dudes than the Jazz. They have Gasoft, Kaman, Nash and Blake that are all legitimately white. The Jazz have Hayward, Kanter and Biedrins on the roster currently.

If you can show us quantitatively that the Jazz like white players more than other teams in the league, then we might take you seriously, but until then, the troll schtick is getting tired.
 
green said:
Aren't you proving my point? They are both role players. Neither should be getting over 10 per year. I'd pay CJ 4 max. I'd pay Hayward 8 max. Hayward is twice the player CJ is. That being said, Hayward isn't a 10+ per year guy. This year has shown that so far. I'd take CJ at 4 over Hayward at 12 any day of the year. Hayward isn't good enough. Just like I'd take AK at 10 any day of the week. At 17? No thanks.
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Personally, I think using statistics from 4 games this year is a folly. Just doesn't make any sense to me.

If Hayward is worth the money, he'll prove it this year. If he isn't worth the money, he'll prove it this year.

You saying that CJ is out performing Hayward to date this year is absurd though.
 
b_line said:
Do you really think Gobert, Boozer and D Will are white? What planet are you from? They are just as white as you are bro.

And why have you not addressed the Lakers comment yet? They are clearly more in love with white dudes than the Jazz. They have Gasoft, Kaman, Nash and Blake that are all legitimately white. The Jazz have Hayward, Kanter and Biedrins on the roster currently.

If you can show us quantitatively that the Jazz like white players more than other teams in the league, then we might take you seriously, but until then, the troll schtick is getting tired.
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These aren't core players, unlike Hayward, Kanter and Gobert.
 
b_line said:
Gasol and Nash are not core players? Would the lakers have their last title without Gasol? You are losing it hotkkk. Get a grip.
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Did I highlight Gasol? I highlighted Kaman, Nash, and Blake.


Gasol is the lone white man in that Lakers Championship run against the Celtics.
 
For the last time, people, please stay on topic, there's been enough trolling in this thread to make my head spin for days and days.
 
Kaman is not a core player, unlike Gobert, you stupid. And Gobert is totally white. Also Neto, he's a core player. Nash is not white, unlike Boozer, who's white as snow. You lose b_line.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Did I highlight Gasol? I highlighted Kaman, Nash, and Blake.


Gasol is the lone white man in that Lakers Championship run against the Celtics.
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I guess he was, if you don't think Luke Walton, Steve Blake or Sasha Vujacic are white. and then you have HottNickkk type 'white' players like Matt Barnes and Derek Fisher. By my count, that is 4 white players, and 2 who you would probably say are white.

Clearly the Jazz are not the only team with white players. It is not about race.
 
Fine, looks like I've got to be the one to start talking serious stuff. The following is that Favors' interview with Grantland, which I thought was interesting in relation to Hayward's contract talks:

https://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/81418/catching-up-with-derrick-favors

How involved were you in the extension talks? Did you meet with GM Dennis Lindsey and Kevin O'Connor at the end of last season and indicate a salary number you thought was fair?

That's more of an agent thing. They talked all summer and had conversations. But that's more for the agent and the front office. But I didn't have that much word in it. My agent really just asked me questions and stuff.

Did you independently have a number in mind? Did you feel you deserved the max?

I didn't get involved to that level. I left that to the agent and the front office.

Free agency at such an early stage is an interesting dilemma. Some guys prioritize security. Some guys like to play it out, hoping they can earn an even larger deal than might be available via an early extension. How did you balance those things?

Yeah, security was very important to me. I just wanted to be somewhere where I know I'm going to be for a long time, and just be comfortable.

Any celebratory purchases, even though the new deal doesn't kick in till next season?

Umm, no. I haven't bought anything yet.

Nothing planned?

Not right now. I bought everything I needed with my rookie deal. So I'm good right now.
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Seems to me Favors was a lot less concerned about the contract itself and just wanted the "security" of being somewhere he is wanted and staying here for a long time to come.

I wonder if Hayward has the same mindset? Or does he care more about Money VS Security?

Please discuss.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
For the last time, people, please stay on topic, there's been enough trolling in this thread to make my head spin for days and days.
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Says the troll. Quit saying ridiculous comments about race. You keep up all this **** about how you want to stay on topic, yet you are clearly the one who derailed the thread multiple times.
 
Siro said:
Kaman is not a core player, unlike Gobert, you stupid. And Gobert is totally white. Also Neto, he's a core player. Nash is not white, unlike Boozer, who's white as snow. You lose b_line.
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b_line said:
I guess he was, if you don't think Luke Walton, Steve Blake or Sasha Vujacic are white. and then you have HottNickkk type 'white' players like Matt Barnes and Derek Fisher. By my count, that is 4 white players, and 2 who you would probably say are white.

Clearly the Jazz are not the only team with white players. It is not about race.
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Come now guys, let's forget about all this racial talk and focus on the topic at hand.

TIA.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Come now guys, let's forget about all this racial talk and focus on the topic at hand.

TIA.
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just be straight with us man. Quit saying all this **** about racism, and how the jazz hate black people. Either that or prove your point. We are just calling you out on it, since you seem to be the one who can't let it go.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Fine, looks like I've got to be the one to start talking serious stuff. The following is that Favors' interview with Grantland, which I thought was interesting in relation to Hayward's contract talks:

https://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/81418/catching-up-with-derrick-favors



Seems to me Favors was a lot less concerned about the contract itself and just wanted the "security" of being somewhere he is wanted and staying here for a long time to come.

I wonder if Hayward has the same mindset? Or does he care more about Money VS Security?

Please discuss.
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If Hayward was worried about security, I bet he would have taken the 4/40 or whatever the Jazz offer ended at. He wants all the money he can get.
 
b_line said:
If Hayward was worried about security, I bet he would have taken the 4/40 or whatever the Jazz offer ended at. He wants all the money he can get.
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First of all - thanks man for getting back on course. As the OP this means a lot. Thanks again.


Second of all - this article just tells me how humble Favors is as a person. He doesn't seem to be too bothered about how much money he got at all. He even brushed aside the "celebration" the interviewer was asking him about. Seems like that time with Malone really paid off too in helping him focus on improving and developing his game.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
First of all - thanks man for getting back on course. As the OP this means a lot. Thanks again.


Second of all - this article just tells me how humble Favors is as a person. He doesn't seem to be too bothered about how much money he got at all. He even brushed aside the "celebration" the interviewer was asking him about. Seems like that time with Malone really paid off too in helping him focus on improving and developing his game.
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I agree. I know people are down on Favors after last nights game, but he is probably going to average somewhere around 15 and 11 with a couple blocks this year. He is going to look like a steal after this season on his new contract.

Hayward will probably get a big contract, and will probably be close to worth it, but he is definitely not going to settle for security like Favors did.
 
b_line said:
I agree. I know people are down on Favors after last nights game, but he is probably going to average somewhere around 15 and 11 with a couple blocks this year. He is going to look like a steal after this season on his new contract.

Hayward will probably get a big contract, and will probably be close to worth it, but he is definitely not going to settle for security like Favors did.
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I wonder how much influence and input Hayward's dad has in this too. I remembered someone interviewing his dad at the draft and him saying he had to hold an "interview" of various agents before settling on the right one for Hayward. It seems like he's a very considered person and thinks quite a lot about how to "maximise" his son's opportunity/potential earning.

This in contrast to Favors who seems to be making these decisions on his own (as his dad is no longer with his mom, etc).


So yeah, I just wonder how much of Hayward's decision is influenced by his dad.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Well if 8-15 is the range, 9 is wayyyyy early IMO.


Kinda like saying, people thinks my stick is 4-10 inches long... realistically it's like 5 inches long, well that's not long, that's wayyyy SHORT.
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Who cares if it was "way early" or not. Other than George and perhaps Bledsoe, Hayward is easily the best player drafted 9 or later in that draft. So in reality he was slotted just fine.
 
Nate505 said:
Who cares if it was "way early" or not. Other than George and perhaps Bledsoe, Hayward is easily the best player drafted 9 or later in that draft. So in reality he was slotted just fine.
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Wow.. you DO read every posts... good job digging up this...
 
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