This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[fishonjazz]

This form of disingenuous, pretend-to-care trolling from you has made the forum damn near unreadable. You should know when to stop, but still you don't. 100's of posts a day full of nothing but. Your spam trolling is overloading and crowds out anything worth reading.

You are silly
I have not made 100 posts in a day in a long, long time and barely post at all anymore.

Just another thing you are wrong about. Business as usual. Carry on.

 

[infection]

37 pages and it's official:

 

[franklin]

You are silly
I have not made 100 posts in a day in a long, long time and barely post at all anymore.

Just another thing you are wrong about. Business as usual. Carry on.

And it's starting to get readable again. There were several reasonable discussions going on in here, and then you showed up trying to be a jackass and derail it all.

Please continue not posting.

 

[Beer]

37 pages and it's official:

Hard to argue this point

 

[Douchebag K]

This form of disingenuous, pretend-to-care trolling from you has made the forum damn near unreadable. You should know when to stop, but still you don't. 100's of posts a day full of nothing but. Your spam trolling is overloading and crowds out anything worth reading.





I think that's worth wondering over, but at the end of the day I don't buy it. Don't forget these guys practice more than they play, and it's not going to click in game if it's not clicking in practice. Besides, if he was given more minutes last season then who do they get taken away from without hurting the rest of the young players?




Completely disagree. Favors is getting the same looks as last year. This year he is converting a whole lot better. Hayward quit playing like a little bitch, preferring long twos over drives, and soft *** faders when he did drive. Quin's system might benefit him, but the vast majority of improvement came from Hayward. I still think he tanked last season anyway.

You think an NBA player tanked in his contract year ? lol

 

[Stoked]

What's going on here is Nate, Zman, fish, ellis, gregbroncs, etc. spent 2 years and 9 months bitching that Ty didn't play Kanter. Now that Ty has been vindicated they prefer to double down on the hate and sling endless insults my way instead of admitting Ty was right and they were wrong. Couldn't have been more wrong.

Wipe the egg off your faces guys.

If this is why Corbin didn't play Kanter (plausable but who knows) then it shows he and the FO were not communicating effectively. I'll assign blame there 50/50 without knowing everything. If Corbin knew he wouldnt play Kanter he should have pushed the FO to trade him while his value was high. That leads back to the common critique of he didn't communicate.

But he also had a KOC with a foot out the door and what is assume was half interest.

So was Corbin right on Kanter? Possibly but obviously he and the FO were not on the same page then.

 

[fishonjazz]

And it's starting to get readable again. There were several reasonable discussions going on in here, and then you showed up trying to be a jackass and derail it all.

Please continue not posting.

Anything for you

 

[fishonjazz]

If this is why Corbin didn't play Kanter (plausable but who knows) then it shows he and the FO were not communicating effectively. I'll assign blame there 50/50 without knowing everything. If Corbin knew he wouldnt play Kanter he should have pushed the FO to trade him while his value was high. That leads back to the common critique of he didn't communicate.

But he also had a KOC with a foot out the door and what is assume was half interest.

So was Corbin right on Kanter? Possibly but obviously he and the FO were not on the same page then.

Also, being right on kanter does not automatically make him a good coach.

Corbin was not a good coach. It's really quite clear. Even to all the simple minded people on this site like myself.

Frank is probably just too smart to be able to see what most of us poor lower intellect folks see.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Didn't have as much a problem with Kanter's minutes as much as I did the fact that Kanter and Burks couldn't crack the starting lineup over Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson. That was my biggest issue. I'd prefer to have seen the Core young guys play together so that the front office could properly assess if they'd work together for the future. Especially in a season when wins and losses was NOTthe front office's primary goal for him - it was player development.

Frank likes the guy and thinks he got a raw deal. Maybe he did, but MY PERSONAL OPONION is that he was a poor leader. In over his head like Brian Shaw. Just didn't know how to communicate with his players and didn't know how to best use them as individuals or as a unit. I'm just happy that he's not the Jazz head coach anymore. I think that Quin Snyder is superior and only scratching the surface of his potential - just like his key players.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm just glad the jazz thought Corbin was not cutting it and decided to get a different coach.

That or the jazz couldn't afford Corbin and he was getting so many other job offers from other teams that Corbin just decided to leave the jazz to pursue better opportunities.

Either way, he gone, quin is here and the future (even the present) looks really bright.

 

[Getting Traded]

Didn't have as much a problem with Kanter's minutes as much as I did the fact that Kanter and Burks couldn't crack the starting lineup over Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson. That was my biggest issue. I'd prefer to have seen the Core young guys play together so that the front office could properly assess if they'd work together for the future. Especially in a season when wins and losses was NOTthe front office's primary goal for him - it was player development.

Frank likes the guy and thinks he got a raw deal. Maybe he did, but MY PERSONAL OPONION is that he was a poor leader. In over his head like Brian Shaw. Just didn't know how to communicate with his players and didn't know how to best use them as individuals or as a unit. I'm just happy that he's not the Jazz head coach anymore. I think that Quin Snyder is superior and only scratching the surface of his potential - just like his key players.

Totally agree, but there is one point that I do agree with that Franklin made, and that is Hayward tanked, at least a bit, as the season rolled along. I think he was frustrated that he had to play with such a horrible coach after playing for such a good one at Butler, and I really think he was hoping he would get traded or somehow wind up with the Celtics. I can still see him rolling his eyes in the huddle when the TV cameras took shots of Corbin drawing up plays or discussing strategy.

 

[Getting Traded]

Also, being right on kanter does not automatically make him a good coach.

Corbin was not a good coach. It's really quite clear. Even to all the simple minded people on this site like myself.

Frank is probably just too smart to be able to see what most of us poor lower intellect folks see.

In fact, Corbin may have ruined Kanter the way he used him. It looks like Kanter has found a home in OKC, and I wish him the best, but he will never be close to as good as Rudy.

 

[gregbroncs]

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1. The Jazz's lead players last season were Gordo, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke. All of them were handed much larger roles than they had had in prior seasons. They all came into this season with virtually the same roles as last season, but with an additional year of experience.

2. Pretty much everyone knew Ty was on the way out at the start of last season. Quin came in with a fresh slate.

The team as a Whole though was quite a bit younger with less known impact players off of the bench.

 

[franklin]

Didn't have as much a problem with Kanter's minutes as much as I did the fact that Kanter and Burks couldn't crack the starting lineup over Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson. That was my biggest issue. I'd prefer to have seen the Core young guys play together so that the front office could properly assess if they'd work together for the future. Especially in a season when wins and losses was NOTthe front office's primary goal for him - it was player development.

The problem here is you're mixing what you want to see as a fan with what the FO needs to see. You wanted to see if a certain group could play together and I get that frustration as much as the next fan. The FO, however, knew what they had and did not need to see them on the national stage to assess them as us fans do.

If this is why Corbin didn't play Kanter (plausable but who knows) then it shows he and the FO were not communicating effectively. I'll assign blame there 50/50 without knowing everything. If Corbin knew he wouldnt play Kanter he should have pushed the FO to trade him while his value was high. That leads back to the common critique of he didn't communicate.

But he also had a KOC with a foot out the door and what is assume was half interest.

So was Corbin right on Kanter? Possibly but obviously he and the FO were not on the same page then.

You're over complicating things. Last season was a developmental season. It wasn't Corbin's place to push for a trade (and Kanter's value wasn't ever higher except on draft day or some of his rookie season). It was his job to develop him and that's exactly what he did.


BTW, to answer your earlier thought, Kanter never really progressed from month to month on defense.

 

[franklin]

I also find it amusing that people are pointing to how young this year's squad is instead of their veteran status. Hayward just got a max deal, Burks got a **** ton, and Favors is widely thought to be on one of the best values in the NBA. Age does not equal young.

 

[The Midnight]

I also find it amusing that people are pointing to how young this year's squad is instead of their veteran status. Hayward just got a max deal, Burks got a **** ton, and Favors is widely thought to be on one of the best values in the NBA. Age does not equal young.

OK but have you factored in Burks' absent in your analysis? We could have been a lot worse this year had Ingles and Millsap not stepped up for us, and credit has to go to Quin for bringing them along as quick as he has.

 

[gregbroncs]

This form of disingenuous, pretend-to-care trolling from you has made the forum damn near unreadable. You should know when to stop, but still you don't. 100's of posts a day full of nothing but. Your spam trolling is overloading and crowds out anything worth reading. He's far less of a troll than you and far better poster





I think that's worth wondering over, but at the end of the day I don't buy it. Don't forget these guys practice more than they play, and it's not going to click in game if it's not clicking in practice. Besides, if he was given more minutes last season then who do they get taken away from without hurting the rest of the young players?During the season NBA teams don't practice very much. They definitely don't practice much more than they play if at all.




Completely disagree. Favors is getting the same looks as last year. This year he is converting a whole lot better. Hayward quit playing like a little bitch, preferring long twos over drives, and soft *** faders when he did drive. Quin's system might benefit him, but the vast majority of improvement came from Hayward. I still think he tanked last season anyway.

The last one is just wrong. The argument last year was Favors was not being used in the PNR enough. This year he is being used that way far more often. He has improved in the paint and in the post. But his rise has a lot to do with confidence he gained being used more where he is at his best. Add to that the attitude players brought to the season this year as opposed to previous ones. Favors and Hayward were both excited for this offense and they never showed that under Corbin. Maybe it's because they saw they had a better opportunity to succeed.

 

[gregbroncs]

Totally agree, but there is one point that I do agree with that Franklin made, and that is Hayward tanked, at least a bit, as the season rolled along. I think he was frustrated that he had to play with such a horrible coach after playing for such a good one at Butler, and I really think he was hoping he would get traded or somehow wind up with the Celtics. I can still see him rolling his eyes in the huddle when the TV cameras took shots of Corbin drawing up plays or discussing strategy.

If Corbin was still here Hayward would be playing on a one year tender. No way he signs a long term contract to play for Corbin.

 

[Stoked]

Snyder is on record as saying that they were going to go heavy on practice and film sessions this year. He reference their youth as both a need and an asset in that decision.

 

[franklin]

OK but have you factored in Burks' absent in your analysis? We could have been a lot worse this year had Ingles and Millsap not stepped up for us, and credit has to go to Quin for bringing them along as quick as he has.

Of course. Quin is much better at getting players to understand and buy in. That's one reason I think he's worth +1.5 wins per season over Corbin. In fact, if the CBA allowed him an extra month of training camp I think there's a good chance the Jazz are legitimately in the playoff hunt. It'll take almost 50 wins though, and that's too high a mark but at least they wouldn't be all but mathematically eliminated and in a race again.