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The Official 2014/15 Tank Watch thread

freakazoid said:
I agree with most of that, with a couple exceptions. Lakers, Philly and New York are all worse tanks than GS, and that's just this year. GS let it come down to a coin toss, which means they really should have cranked it up a notch, and they almost paid for it. They also started the year trying for the playoffs, and only started tanking when hit by injuries.
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Utah has absolutely tanked before. Down the stretch of the season before we drafted Deron, for one. KOC had a spot targeted to get one of two point guards, and we sat multiple players that were banged up with injuries. We also tanked last year and started out tanking this year, before Rudy killed it. If I had any doubts about this year(I did), there are two things that clear it up for me. Continuing to start Kanter over Rudy for so long. If Utah was prioritizing winning this year, that change would have made regardless of Kanter's contract status. But the clincher for me, and I brought this up before the trade, was what kind of return DL would take back, win now pieces or future pieces. Utah could have easily brought back player/s to help us win now in the Kanter trade, and we instead opted for future pieces. That's by design, and it's because DL considered this a rebuilding/development year.
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I guess I should mention that everybody seems to have a different definition of tanking, so I should clarify mine. I don't consider tanking to be doing anything and everything necessary to lose every game. That just doesn't happen. Tanking is simply operating in a way where you have higher priorities than winning now. You're trying to develop players, while at the same time not overachieving to the point you're getting mediocre picks every year. Obviously some teams tank more aggressively sometimes, but even Philly this year, who everybody labeled the worst tankers ever, have won enough games that they aren't even the worst team THIS year, let alone ever.
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Finally, we agree that Utah shouldn't tank outright at this point. The one exception I would make is to be overly cautious with banged up players. I've said it in another thread, but I would prefer to see Dante kinda start to get it to end the season, than to drop a few games for a better spot.
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Yeah, we define tanking differently.

I think of tanking as trying to lose, not just re-tooling or focusing on the future more than the present. I think of it as specifically going out of your way to lose games.

So by your definition of "tanking", then we agree that the Jazz should "tank" the rest of the season. Rest players who really need it, take some chances on trying new lineups, anything that focuses more on the future than just winning the game in front of you. I just don't want us outright trying to lose (even though that was my wish the last couple of years.)
 
UGLI baby said:
So by your definition of "tanking", then we agree that the Jazz should "tank" the rest of the season. Rest players who really need it, take some chances on trying new lineups, anything that focuses more on the future than just winning the game in front of you. I just don't want us outright trying to lose (even though that was my wish the last couple of years.)
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Word up uggs
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't think that the games left this year have any effect on next year (unless someone gets injured)

We could lose the rest of the games this year or win them all.

next year will depend on what we do this summer, how hard our guys work on thier games, what players we aquire, training camp, etc.

I don't think what happens to our win/loss record for the rest of this year has any bearing on the win/loss record next season. Just my opinion
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Tell that to Stoked, he seems to think we desperately need to win these last 7 games or else either the franchise will collapse, the ESA will crumble to the ground, or the ghost of Larry H. Miller will come and haunt every Jazzfanz forever and ever and a day.
 
This was said in another thread but I think it's relevant here as well.

Catchall said:
There are 8 games left to play. I think we should take one or two more seriously and write the rest of them off. We're close to picking up another solid player in this draft, if we can get to #10 or #9. Stanley Johnson could be in reach, along with Oubre, Turner, maybe even one of the Euros. In any case, it will be a better pick or trade asset.
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Charlotte may throw in the towel due to injuries. Al Jefferson is questionable right now. Our schedule turns tough as it is, so we might pick up 4 or so losses. We should at least be able to get to #10. Currently, we're tied for 11/12.

We should try to get Hood and Exum some confidence heading into next year, and let Gobert work on some offensive moves. It's been a good season. Nice improvement from Hayward and Favors, and Gobert is a stud.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Tell that to Stoked, he seems to think we desperately need to win these last 7 games or else either the franchise will collapse, the ESA will crumble to the ground, or the ghost of Larry H. Miller will come and haunt every Jazzfanz forever and ever and a day.
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Don't speak for me or even pretend to understand my point.

Because from this you very clearly don't.
 
Catchall said:
Charlotte may throw in the towel due to injuries. Al Jefferson is questionable right now. Our schedule turns tough as it is, so we might pick up 4 or so losses. We should at least be able to get to #10. Currently, we're tied for 11/12.

We should try to get Hood and Exum some confidence heading into next year, and let Gobert work on some offensive moves. It's been a good season. Nice improvement from Hayward and Favors, and Gobert is a stud.
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Paul George also coming back tomorrow. Hopefully that boosts the Pacers a bit too. DET is also quietly surging with 6-4 of last 10.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
I still prefer the Jazz finishing strong and show the league we legit! 5-2 like finish!
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The league won't care I'd we finish 5-2 though.
We will still be a lottery team
 
fishonjazz said:
The league won't care I'd we finish 5-2 though.
We will still be a lottery team
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This.


The league knows some teams 'mail it in' the last 6-7 games of the season if they have 1) made the playoffs with home court, or 2) tanking late to get good lotto picks.
 
Jazz need to finish 2-4 to drop. In order to get to # 10 they need to be lower than 4 of the 5 teams with similar records from the East. Brooklyn and Boston are 1 game ahead (in the win dept), Miami is even and both Indiana and Charlotte are 1 game behind.

Miami and Brooklyn have the easiest schedules with 5 home games for Brooklyn and 4 for Miami so they are most likely to get into the playoffs imo. Miami has 4 games against teams with losing record, Brooklyn only has 1.

Boston has only 5 games left with 3 on the road, and only 1 against non-playoff team.

Indiana has 3 home and 3 road with 3 against teams with losing records.

Charlotte has 4 road games and 2 home, with 2 against a team with losing record. They are least likely to make playoffs imo.

Jazz have a tough final 4 games, but the last few games are such a toss up for all teams, as you don't know who will pack it in as the seeds are sometimes set at that point.
 
It was a very important loss to Phoenix. Suns could very well lose the rest of their games (all against teams >.500 and 4 of 5 on the road).
I see the Jazz going no better than 3-3.
Miami at Indiana tonight.

I think best case for Utah is 11th worst.
 
Stifle Tower said:
It was a very important loss to Phoenix. Suns could very well lose the rest of their games (all against teams >.500 and 4 of 5 on the road).
I see the Jazz going no better than 3-3.
Miami at Indiana tonight.

I think best case for Utah is 11th worst.
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With 2-4 finish, they could end up 10th. With a 3-3 finish, they probably end in a 3 way tie for 10-12.
 
Well, a loss tonight would have put us in a 3-way tie for the 10th - 12th pick. The Kings are so lousy though that we can't buy a loss from them on the second night of a back-to-back with Burke out and Hayward looking half asleep.

I don't think playing guys like Cotton, Cooley, Chris Johnson and so on represents what the Jazz are or who we'll be either way.
 
Boston: Currently 35-42; Remaining: @Detroit, @Cleveland, Cleveland, Toronto, @Milwaukee --- Projection: 37 wins

Brooklyn: Currently 35-41; Remaining: Portland, Atlanta, Washington, @Milwaukee, Chicago, Orlando --- Projection: 37 wins

Indiana: Currently 34-43; Remaining: @Knicks, @Detroit, OKC, Washington, @Memphis --- Projection: 36 or 37 wins

Miami: Currently 34-43; Remaining: Charlotte, Chicago, Toronto, Orlando, Philadelphia --- Projection: 37 or 38 wins


Utah: Currently 35-42; Remaining: Sacramento, Memphis, @Portland, Dallas, @Houston --- Projections: 36 or 37 wins


Utah should at least be able to tie for the 10th / 11th spot.

We'd be looking at Oubre, Turner, maybe Looney and maybe Johnson if we're lucky.
 
Catchall said:
The Kings are so lousy though that we can't buy a loss from them on the second night of a back-to-back with Burke out and Hayward looking half asleep.

playing guys like Cotton, Cooley, Chris Johnson, Evans
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Lol.
Damn the kings suck bad
 
Posted this in the Draft thread --

Jazz offer Hood + 10 to Sacramento for 6 or 7 in the draft. Jazz get Hezonja or Winslow. Sacto gets Hood + Turner.
 
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