NAOS
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yeah, man, sorry for puttin you through the ringer. Phew. u okay?
CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.
yeah, man, sorry for puttin you through the ringer. Phew. u okay?
Good enough to throw it at your mom.
But she's like a used car dealership; any car any time.
NAOS
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mom joke, gais.
RandyForRubio
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Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but it sure feels like Dalamon is doing his best to infer that America is quite subpar as a country. If I'm wrong, then I apologize and retract my statement.
The part about you opening a door and realizing you don't know as much as you think was a joke. So was the rep comment.
The part about me trying to get you to see it any other way but your own, was not.
And to a degree is another example.
I pride myself in being able to get people to see it a way differently than what they're imagining. I'm very good at this, and is a huge part of my job.
I was unable to get you to see a pile of money as a source of pride, instead of just a pile of money.
So because you can't catch what I'm throwing, it's like my version of a higher tax rate. It hits me in not my pocketbook, but my pride.
Does that make sense to you?
I won't speak for him. But let's ask, as I might be wrong too.
Dalabro, is the US a terrible place to live? Absolutely subpar in all sense of the word?
That's basically the problem with every one of these dramatic, fear mongering 'look over there, that country is so much better because <insert random statistic here>. Most of them fall flat on their face in a matter of a few moments of reflection.
You can take the infant mortality rate for example. We needed to fix things because every year Cuba comes out with an incredibly low figure for an impoverished country. Well, dig just a bit deeper and you find Cuban-Americans also have a low infant mortality rate and Cuba is an outlier in how much it spends on healthcare (with obvious impoverishing effects elsewhere). They like to point to Japan's 2% rate, America needs to be like Japan. But do they ever mention that the Japanese abort pretty much every baby conceived out of wedlock? In 1980 something there were a total of something like 18 births to mothers 15 and under. That's insanely low. They also never mention the chronically high peripartum morbidity rates of 3 times the USA, or the sever lack of neonatal physicians and nurses at birthing hospitals (neither do the Canadians for that matter). Our healthcare system is expensive because we take care of people and believe in treating employees fairly. Japan under-staffs and overworks their medical staff to the bones.
These things rarely make it into the discussion. Instead it's look I have a statistic so you're monolithic, narrow-minded, dogmatic ideologue.
Frankie poo, when you see an idea that's working, and there are statistics to back it up, does that not cause you to think "hey... maybe that could work"?
Or is your first instinct "no no no, that'll never work. It's not the way I do things, so it can't be right"
If the goal is to bring happiness we need to address the culture of consumerism more than income inequality.
NAOS
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You asked me if a pile of money was something to be proud about. I said No, not inherently. And then I gave you an example of a huge pile of money that nobody should feel pride about.
Does that mean that all piles of money are devoid of prideful feelings? Obviously not.
Then you started asking me about what I was proud about, as if you could show me the equivalence between the pride in money and my pride in other things. That didn't work out well because you failed to come up with an adequate thought experiment.
NAOS
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^obvi has no idea how franklin thinks.
Because the culture of consumerism is what creates a lot of jobs and continues the treadmill of consumption.
NAOS
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Why don't we just reorder the way that gendering happens, too. I mean, since we're just breaking things down so easily, moving around their atomic parts, we should fix that, too, right?
How long have you been a motivational speaker?
But a pile of money can be something to be proud of. It is not something you can exclusively NOT be proud of.
For some people, a pile of money is a way of quantifying their life's work. Their pile of money, to them, is the same as your making room for needy students, or ability to care for your little sister.
Taking some of those things away from you, is the same thing as taking away money from others. It's the same concept. You don't seem to get that.
Did you just compare what a living person was born as to changes in the government that would effect everyone?
True, we can do either at this stage in the game, but if you don't see the difference there you have no respect for an evolving social climate.
NAOS
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I understand perfectly well that ^this^ is the facile argument you were trying to put forward. I told you it wouldn't work -- that it was a bad equivalence to draw -- but you don't seem to get that.
I told you there was no way to reduce the things I'm most proud about to any equivalence with money. Money didn't motivate them, and any money that was involved in making them come to pass was not transacted directly on their behalf.
Besides, it doesn't matter if someone believes their pride in their money is equivalent to my pride in these things. When did "belief" get to take center stage? These are differences that cannot be equilibrated, even by a motivational speaker.
I'll go further..... anybody who confuses pride (or MEANING, as you attempted to do earlier) with money is a part of the problem that you seem to be rallying against in this thread.
When you see a claim that an idea is working do you automatically jump on the bandwagon without a second's worth of critical thought or reflection?
You'll notice I never said I'm against funding higher education. In fact I think Obama's free state college tuition is a no brainer. What I disagree with is the patsy assed, soft, pampered and spoiled Americans who cry about it non-stop and act like America is going to fall to pieces tomorrow if we don't throw a trillion dollars at it. College is not that difficult. At all. My friends who didn't go to college spent more money on beer and weed than my tuition, books, & fees combined.
Our system is so simple that any couple who decides to have a two income household can easily clear $150,000-200k/yr combined. And that's in low cost Utah.