CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

[Deleted member 848]

Oh and Roach, before you go on about how cool Norway is, our average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is $7k/year more than Norway. I suppose paying $7k for 4 years is worth a lifetime of $7k more per year.

before you go on how cool the US is, let's check out their Child Poverty rate vs. all other developed nations in the world.

Yikes.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

before you go on how cool the US is, let's check out their Child Poverty rate vs. all other developed nations in the world.

Yikes.

Kids need to grow up and get some damn jobs.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Kids need to grow up and get some damn jobs.

aka

**individualizes & depoliticizes social problem**

 

[Deleted member 848]

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From 20 seconds of searching.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Class-warfare is just a fear-mongering term. Any movements done to try and address income inequality are immediately considered "class warfare". Baffling.


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And yet, those prone to shouting "class warfare" every time somebody wants to engage in a discussion of income inequality stand by silently (and one presumes consenting to) public policies that blatantly favor the wealthy, weaken the social safety net for the poor, or stigmatize/demean the poor.

The recent laws in Kansas that dictate what the poor can do with welfare money, for example, demonstrate a cruel, dehumanizing caricature of the poor as a bunch of lazy, shiftless ner'do wells who routinely fritter public assistance away on luxury goods.

All this class warfare rhetoric only cuts one way, and it is done at the bidding of the law makers' real masters, and now with Citizen's United essentially putting the political process, and public policies, up for sale, it will only get worse.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Should we just eliminate an individual's right to make decisions? Or should we try to standardize free will too?

Oh yes, and that's exactly what he was proposing.

Holy strawman fallacy batman!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

aka

I was being facetious.

You need an American dictionary you damn Canuck?

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Dala, you ever had a job? An actual paying job? Not an internship.

Have you? Whatever that job is, understanding nuance or actually trying to understand what someone is saying don't appear to be job qualifications.

 

[Harambe]

True.

If you cannot make more than $15k you probably have no business in college in the first place. Go pick up a shovel. Most college kids in Utah can easily earn over $30,000/yr. Kids in New York can earn $15k in 3 summer months waiting tables.




Adding in cost of living is disingenuous. It's there regardless.

We haven't even gotten to all the subsidies and scholarships available to lower the cost even further.

If after all that you still cannot afford tuition then take out a $30,000 loan and finish a 4 year degree asap. It's a ****ing car payment for hell's sake. The vast majority of majors make either in the $55k-74.9k range or $75k+. You can guess the ones that don't (social sciences, teachers, film...).

Anyone with a pulse can graduate by 22 and skate through life doing the bare minimum and retire by 52-56 with 100% pre-retirement income while waiting for social security and medicare to kick in. School is cheap, our model is so easy it's almost sad.

1. The average cost of living in New York is dramatically higher than most other places
2. Most college kids WOULD make 30k/year, IF they worked full time.
2a. Full time students actually giving a damn instead of going through the motions SHOULD be a full time job.
3. Higher education in many middle European nations is free.
4. It is not disingenuous to add in cost of living. Whether you go to college or not, it's there. And therefore has to be added to both sides, not removed.
5. Subsidies and scholarships are fair, but they're available other places too.

I know a college age kid that got her education here, and moved to Europe for her college. Not only is it free in many countries there, it's also free for outsiders. Some even give a stipend for extra costs. So along with her scholarships she got here, she's making money.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I get that you like to use big words to make yourself feel smarter about a subject you know jack**** about, but you're not getting it. You asked if there was a way to standardize pay among high management on ALL companies. That eliminates the choices, the free will of the people who started the company. That ain't no straw man.

Perhaps, but that's NOT the context of your original statement, which was a blanket statement that failed to provide this kind of context.

BTW, I don't advocate standardizing executive pay--I think it's an unreasonable and unworkable idea, but I understand what Dalamon is trying to get at. I disagree with him, but I don't feel the need to insult him in the process. See how that works?

 

[Harambe]

Oh and Roach, before you go on about how cool Norway is, our average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is $7k/year more than Norway. I suppose paying $7k for 4 years is worth a lifetime of $7k more per year.

And their GINI rate is 20 points lower than ours. I get it... less money over all.

7k a year for a better economy, entrepreneurship opportunities, governance, safety, education, and personal freedoms?

I'll take it.

 

[Harambe]

I guess someone took their ball and went home.

Some of us working folk have a job to do, and think it's a better idea to do their job than argue.

Forgive me if I took a break from all this to work.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Perhaps, but that's NOT the context of your original statement, which was a blanket statement that failed to provide this kind of context.

BTW, I don't advocate standardizing executive pay--I think it's an unreasonable and unworkable idea, but I understand what Dalamon is trying to get at. I disagree with him, but I don't feel the need to insult him in the process. See how that works?

Bruh, he was the one who insulted me first if I remember correctly. Calm down and don't take it so personally.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Perhaps, but that's NOT the context of your original statement, which was a blanket statement that failed to provide this kind of context.

BTW, I don't advocate standardizing executive pay--I think it's an unreasonable and unworkable idea, but I understand what Dalamon is trying to get at. I disagree with him, but I don't feel the need to insult him in the process. See how that works?

Now to answer your points, yes, I was obviously overreaching with my statement. However, anybody who was paying attention to the subject at hand would have realized I was talking exactly about what I expounded on later. Just another example of reading comprehension and ****.

 

[RandyForRubio]

So if we can say that CEO's aren't worth $30 million a year, with all of their education and the fact that they're owning or running a business, then can't we say that a burger flipper isn't worth $15/hr? Just curious where some of you stand on this. Are we talking about paying what their worth is, or trying to make this more fair based on overall compensation with no regard for education, skill, talent, etc.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Have you? Whatever that job is, understanding nuance or actually trying to understand what someone is saying don't appear to be job qualifications.

I do have a job, been working since I was 12. Thanks for asking!

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Now to answer your points, yes, I was obviously overreaching with my statement. However, anybody who was paying attention to the subject at hand would have realized I was talking exactly about what I expounded on later. Just another example of reading comprehension and ****.

Well, now look at who needs to calm down and not take it too personally.

No, it's more a matter of the order in which I read posts and reply to them.

Just another example of making unfounded assumptions and *****.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Anyways, America really sucks! That's why so many people are trying to immigrate here. And why Canadians regularly come over here for medical attention because they don't want to wait half a year to get their heart looked at. Just think, if we didn't have a military places like Canada might actually have to spend money on theirs. Too bad we suck so hard though.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Well, now look at who needs to calm down and not take it too personally.

I ain't mad. Merely responding, or is that not appropriate anymore?

See, just another example of trying to remove my free will.







/that was a joke in case that went over your head.

 

[Harambe]

Anyways, America really sucks! That's why so many people are trying to immigrate here. And why Canadians regularly come over here for medical attention because they don't want to wait half a year to get their heart looked at. Just think, if we didn't have a military places like Canada might actually have to spend money on theirs. Too bad we suck so hard though.

No one is saying America is a bad place to live. (Except maybe DutchJazzer; but eff that guy)

Some of us are saying we'd like to see poverty cleaned up, the discouraging income inequality addressed, and bring a level of overall happiness to everyone.

Others of us are saying they see footing the bill for everyone else as a slant against their pride. They worked hard for their money, dammit, they've earned it.

Bickering amongst each other is how we find a middle ground we can all live with.


But I think most of us can agree our current government system, from law makers to SS Check dispensaries, could be doing a better, more efficient job with whatever amount of money we send them. How much, or how little each of us have sent, is inconsequential.