Following potential 2015 draftees

[RandyForRubio]

Who has a higher ceiling: Myles Turner or Stanley Johnson?

Probly depends on what kinda house they live in, tbh.

 

[framer]

Age and cost. He's a guy that would improve team chemistry, AND he has proven that he's a strong starter on a playoff team.

If I thought that the Jazz could get him back, I'd gladly see them spend to do it. They never should have let him leave in the first place. Had he been extended back before the tank, I think that they'd be pulling out all the stops to retain him. They should at least inquire to see if he'd be interested in coming back. It kicks both Burks and Hood to the bench, but so be it.

I'm not sure that the Jazz have the cap space to pull it off without giving up Trevor Booker, and Junkyard Dog is going to have a LOT of suitors clamoring for his next contract. He's still not yet 30, so I could see him being a solid starter for the next 3-4 years easily.

Gobert, Favors, Carroll, Hayward and Exum would be an incredibly long and aggressive starting 5. Imagine how solid they'd be on defense, without losing anything offensively. I love how Hood played down the stretch, but Carroll is the better overall offensive player. Round out the bench with Booker, Hood, Burks, Jingles, Burke, the 2015 pick(s), Lil'Sap and Cotton. . . I'd like that team a lot.

This year's Carroll is a better offensive player than this year's Hood, but Hood could easily overtake him in the next couple of years when it will matter more. I think Carroll is better on Defense than Hood will ever be, however. It is hard to argue with the probable production with Hood at his price though. . .

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm totally with NAOS on this one, but Burke is unnecessary. The Jazz have FOUR ballhandlers withOUT him. What they don't have is a defensive specialist or a guy whose main offensive value is floor-spreading and hustle baskets.

 

[Coach Ellis]

This year's Carroll is a better offensive player than this year's Hood, but Hood could easily overtake him in the next couple of years when it will matter more. I think Carroll is better on Defense than Hood will ever be, however. It is hard to argue with the probable production with Hood at his price though. . .

I don't disagree with anything said here. Great post. I think that cost really is going to be the major factor keeping the Jazz away. They have a huge hole at backup C, and I can't see them paying 8 figures for a guy (awesome as he may be) that might jack up the salary structure that they've been building. I'd be all for it, but unfortunately I don't see it happening.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I guess I don't know enough of the cap picture off-hand, but it seems like with the cap exploding in a couple of years and with the raises that Hood and Exum MIGHT get in three years, the Jazz have one chance to add a significant free agent and it's now. But again, I'm shooting from the hip.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I see the jazz taking the best stretch 4 they can get.

 

[mellow]

I see the jazz taking the best stretch 4 they can get.

Looney, Portis, Kaminsky

 

[Coach Ellis]

I see the jazz taking the best stretch 4 they can get.

In the draft, or free agency?

Outside of Porzingis (who I like a lot) and Kaminsky (who I like as a stretch 5), I'm not really enamored with any of them from the draft. Maybe Portis, but I see him as a clear step down in tiers from the guys the Jazz should be targeting.

I'd much rather see them go after a guy like that in free agency or at the trade deadline.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I think we all agree that these are the needs of this team (in no specific order)

- pg play
- back up center
- stretch big
- depth
- defense
- 3 and d
- scoring
- shooting

now some of those can be had in more then one player.

- pg play is not going to be solved with another rookie so I see this being solved later with a vet in free agency or a trade with Burke being used. some of this will be solved with development of exum.

- back up center the jazz have pleiss that seems to want to come over and I am pretty sure the jazz will know for certain if he is coming over. this can also easily be filled in free agency this offseason.

- stretch big is a hard position to fill. this draft seems to have a few in our range. I hope booker becomes this because I love booker but it is best to hedge your bets.

- depth is always need and the draft is a good way to do that.

- defense jazz are quickly becoming the best in the league and is always good to add more

- every team needs a 3 and d player. there are some gems in this draft.

- scoring defense wins championships but offense gets you to the game. jazz need an alpha scorer in a bad way. they would have to move up to get one.

- ideally scoring and shooting go hand in hand but there are a lot of specialists in the league. there are a few in this draft.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

In the draft, or free agency?

Outside of Porzingis (who I like a lot) and Kaminsky (who I like as a stretch 5), I'm not really enamored with any of them from the draft. Maybe Portis, but I see him as a clear step down in tiers from the guys the Jazz should be targeting.

I'd much rather see them go after a guy like that in free agency or at the trade deadline.

looney and lyles fit also

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I guess I don't know enough of the cap picture off-hand, but it seems like with the cap exploding in a couple of years and with the raises that Hood and Exum MIGHT get in three years, the Jazz have one chance to add a significant free agent and it's now. But again, I'm shooting from the hip.

If Utah takes off next year and makes an impact in the playoffs, we still might be able to lure a decent FA who wants to join a winner. Otherwise, everybody is going to have money after this offseason, so that's usually not good for us. Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of options for us this offseason, and we won't really have that much cap space anyway without renouncing guys like Booker. I'm kind of hoping to make a trade in which we take back more than we send out, but it's also possible our best option could end up being us collecting an asset by selling our cap space. Whatever we do, I believe it's wise to assume our FA options will be limited for a few years after this offseason.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Utah takes off next year and makes an impact in the playoffs, we still might be able to lure a decent FA who wants to join a winner. Otherwise, everybody is going to have money after this offseason, so that's usually not good for us. Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of options for us this offseason, and we won't really have that much cap space anyway without renouncing guys like Booker. I'm kind of hoping to make a trade in which we take back more than we send out, but it's also possible our best option could end up being us collecting an asset by selling our cap space. Whatever we do, I believe it's wise to assume our FA options will be limited for a few years after this offseason.

Like Raja Bell when we had a really good team with D-Will?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He said they don't want to build a board that early, before they've started the final discussions with each other and before they get all the information for the prospects(i.e. all the tape, all the interviews, individual work outs, etc.), because they don't want to fall victims to certain cognitive biases (like confirmation bias, recency bias(said they are watching video not in chronological order to avoid that one too), etc.) in constructing their big board. That's actually a really smart move and should be taken as a huge positive, rather than as a sign of neglect or lack of seriousness in the draft process.

I love that someone thought this was a lazy thing... We'll make a draft board the night before the draft cuz right now we just out partying.

DL is a hard worker. If you have a draft board too early it anchors you to those rankings. I work in a job and I do it all the time... I suggest a number and if they think its fair they take it... If it's too high they come off the number just a bit... Too low they come up a hair. Once they've taken in the data they'll make a draft board.

 

[The Midnight]

I see the jazz taking the best stretch 4 they can get.

If Stanley Johnson is off the board I also think this is the case.



There is a gaping hole there that needs to be filled.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Like Raja Bell when we had a really good team with D-Will?

No, not like that. Someone who doesn't suck. Also, Utah was a good team with Deron, but we were never elite. Right now, Utah is on the verge of becoming an elite NBA team. Watch what happens with our road record this year. Obviously it all depends on the individual and how much they value winning over things like weather, big stage, etc., but I definitely believe Utah has a great chance of jumping far enough next year that we may be able to attract a player that we would normally assume was off limits. Gotta believe, baby.

 

[BENTLEY]

If you have a draft board too early it anchors you to those rankings.

I think we're all a bit anchored in the current player rankings. Of course it's an influence on who appears more valuable than others, but every year great players are had all over the draft board -- Rudy was 27th! The Jazz traded up to get Trey and NOW we all see they woulda been better off staying put and grabbing Greek Freak. So I'm not totally enamored with the idea of moving up. And this draft is deep.

But if DL decides there's a player worth moving up for then I'm good with that. It's nice to finally trust the FO. I didn't used to so much.

 

[fishonjazz]

1. Who knows if they haven't actually.
2. This is their jobs and lives. They take this A LOT more seriously than ANY of us ever COULD. They're probably pouring over a quantity and quality of information that BOGGLES the mind.

FIXED

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Let's not get too specific with this example. I like Kaminsky at #12, but I'm afraid teams would simply go 'small ball' when Gobert/Kaminsky pairing is on the floor.

U do realize we'd also have an advantage on offense

So all another team has to do to get Kaminsky off the floor is go 'small ball' then?

no. It's called in game adjustments. All u do is take Booker out put in Frank and force their C to come out of his comfort zone to guard the perimeter opening up the inside for Hayward and Burks to drive. If the c sucks in to guard the driver then kick it out to frank for the open 3. Jazz did this a lot with Memo, who killed teams like this. There is just so much we can do with a guy like Frank

I feel just the opposite. If Booker isn't there then look at Frank.

I couldn't complain about either, but yeah, I'd probably lean Booker, too.

Bottom line, we should get a solid contributor at #12.

I'm down with Booker, but in my opinion there is a lot more risk taking Booker. Where does he get playing time? I don't really see him as an upgrade over our top three wings and don't forget QS also really likes Ingles who is great in the locker room and as a backup playmaker on the floor. What if Booker never develops?

Kaminsky on the other hand is a skilled big with more experience being a senior who can come in and play a role right away. And is a position of need. And brings a skill set we don't have. Where as Booker might end up wasting away on the bench ending up beng disgruntled due to not receiving the playing time he thinks he should be getting.

I do think Kaminsky has a better chance at succeeding in Utah. Though I won't complain if we take Booker.

New favorite candidate, Cameron Payne, though I don't see the Jazz picking a PG in the lottery for a third year in a row. Think we would ship Burke out?

I was thinking about this earlier, but if we do go pg.. I was thinking it would be best to trade down around 18-20 and take either Grant or Wright. Think they both go with the new model of defense plus we get maybe a future first, and I think they are as good maybe better then Payne. I know Wright can't shoot, but he is a bigger more athletic Rondo possibly making him a better defender who is a good passer. Think either would be a good backup and create great competition with Exum

Cant really fault that logic.. I mean if we are serious about making the playoffs next year we cant have a rookie PG as your back up. Unless he's a lottery pick of course

it's not like we are going to contend for a title. This does however gets said rookie pg great experience if and when the jazz do become contenders.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Screw trading down. This will likely be the last time for while that we are able to draft this high, and usually teams trade down when they need to add multiple players, which we really don't. Utah should be looking to consolidate assets to move up, but if the price is too high, take BPA and don't look back. Also, if we're taking on a rookie PG, it will be as a 3rd PG, not as a backup. We don't yet know if Exum will be ready for starter minutes, and our big 3 are ready to start winning now, even if we're not quite ready to contend. Burks played a bigger role off the bench than just a backup, and if anything, we should look to upgrade that role, not take a step back, which is likely with a rookie.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

With regard to going small against Frank...

Frank is really good in the post and will be able to abuse smaller guys unless they are built like Draymond Green and can push him off the block. Post ups arent the most efficient offense in the NBA unless said post up player can pass out of the post... Frank can pass. I don't think you can put a small forward out there on the court like you could on Okur back in the day.

I'd actually be more worried that he can't hold his position in the NBA on defense... May get pushed back like Rudy does occasionally... of course Rudy usually blocks the shot anyway.

I think as long as Frank, Johnson or Booker are available I'd stay at 12... If it is Turner I think I'd try and trade back to 15-19 ish and collect another good first rounder (in 2017) for our troubles. That pick can be used in combo with some of our other picks to acquire a vet or in a sign and trade.