Planned Parenthood Selling Baby Organs

[Harambe]

whoa whoa hold ur horses.

i need all that to be considered human.

**** humanity then

I did notice how you left out the other part entirely.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I did notice how you left out the other part entirely.

because your first part was so ridiculous no point in the rest.

all those things make someone human well then **** it.


btw did we ever see obamas birth certificate. because if we did not we can abort him, and sell his organs

 

[babe]

We, are all we have. But we have differing ideas on when a human is a human. So how do we decide?

I don't know how to tell you what you should do. I know how I want to decide my own personal issues.

 

[babe]

Got a Birthdate? Social Security number? Name? Birth Certificate, or other proof of citizenship of a country?

Someone that doesn't breath oxygen, or ingest food on their own clearly can't be human.

Looks strikingly similar to a primate fetus. Are we sure it's not one of those? Perhaps all primates are human too, and we shouldn't kill any of them as they're human life just the same.

Or maybe we should go back further... Google human zygote. Compare that to a Primate zygote. They look strikingly similar, don't they?

Pretty statists points of argument there, bro.

"live birth" is a definition of convenience for management. Whether human or not, "life" begins with conception, or in the case of say grass and trees, with the first growth of a seed.

I used to be one to just stop with the idea of you decide what you want to do, no government definitions, but since I saw my daughters via ultrasound beginning at about two weeks, the size of a grain of rice, with a pulsing heartbeat, I've never been able to deny the reality of life from the outset.

I don't know how to convince others, perhaps, of my view. But I value life and I feel others are missing out on some good things when they work so hard to evade the truth.

 

[NAOS]

I believe the seed lives.

 

[♪alt13]

There was no dodge on my part. There was one person on target saying there's enough evidence to start considering, and another person being unwilling to consider the possibility. That's where Franklin and I left off. Alt, as annoying as I find him, was at least willing to see that there may be a problem, and present a counter argument. To which I retorted, and illustrated my opinion in a real world fashion. You on the other hand, wanted to confound everything else and make trouble because, well, that's all you ever do in GD. You're like that kid that has a million ideas(mostly bad, but probably not all), and no effective way to communicate them, or see them through, or get anyone else to see it your way.

Take education out of it, let's say it's lung cancer(to which we have an entire life cycle to go through). I said "Look guys, all these people are dying of lung cancer. They seem to dominantly be smokers, and overwhelming majority of public thinks it's from smoking". Franklin would be the one saying "Dying's just part of life, get over it. So what if the people think it's smoking causing it". Alt is the one that would say "Well, all of these OTHER people smoked all their lives and didn't have lung cancer. Our air in general is polluted, I'm sure that has something to do with it. I've been around smoke all my life, and I've had no problem".

You're the one that would be like "i liek tuwrtles. eff dat roach gui"

Don't ****ing put words in my mouth. I don't deny that there are carcinogens in cigarettes. I don't deny that smoking can and does cause cancer. I've only ever pointed out that the hysteria concerning second hand smoke isn't scientifically valid. People can't smoke indoors so there is no risk to the general public. none

The incidence of lung cancer was 13 times higher in current smokers and four times higher in former smokers than in never-smokers, and the relationship for both current and former smokers depended on level of exposure. However, among women who had never smoked, exposure to passive smoking overall, and to most categories of passive smoking, did not statistically significantly increase lung cancer risk. The only category of exposure that showed a trend toward increased risk was living in the same house with a smoker for 30 years or more. In that group, the hazard ratio for developing lung cancer was 1.61, but the confidence interval included 1.00, making the finding of only borderline statistical significance.

https://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.full

 

[Stoked]

Don't ****ing put words in my mouth. I don't deny that there are carcinogens in cigarettes. I don't deny that smoking can and does cause cancer. I've only ever pointed out that the hysteria concerning second hand smoke isn't scientifically valid. People can't smoke indoors so there is no risk to the general public. none



https://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.full

You missed the entire point I think. He wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. He was simply showing that you would at least present a counter argument and further the discussion. It was a positive thing.

 

[NAOS]

Don't ****ing put words in my mouth. I don't deny that there are carcinogens in cigarettes. I don't deny that smoking can and does cause cancer. I've only ever pointed out that the hysteria concerning second hand smoke isn't scientifically valid. People can't smoke indoors so there is no risk to the general public. none



https://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.full

you also presented a valid counter argument to his (soft) school affordability claims....... which he failed to meaningfully respond to.

 

[♪alt13]

Pretty statists points of argument there, bro.

"live birth" is a definition of convenience for management. Whether human or not, "life" begins with conception, or in the case of say grass and trees, with the first growth of a seed.

I used to be one to just stop with the idea of you decide what you want to do, no government definitions, but since I saw my daughters via ultrasound beginning at about two weeks, the size of a grain of rice, with a pulsing heartbeat, I've never been able to deny the reality of life from the outset.

I don't know how to convince others, perhaps, of my view. But I value life and I feel others are missing out on some good things when they work so hard to evade the truth.

For me life isn't the sticking point. No one is protesting a bread factory over the sanctity of life violated by the crushing of millions of seeds. Whether human matters.

I think that a very strong case can be made for viability. That would put a complete ban (barring medical exceptions) at ~24 weeks and require viability testing back to 21 weeks.

I think a somewhat weaker case could be made earlier but I don't think we can go all the way back to conception and call that lump of cells human.

Personally I start to recognize a fetus as human sometime within the first trimester. Having seen an ultrasound of my children before 24 weeks I feel that they were human before viability but I try not to wantonly impose my feelings on the world.

 

[♪alt13]

You missed the entire point I think. He wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. He was simply showing that you would at least present a counter argument and further the discussion. It was a positive thing.

Fair enough. I'm still annoyed though because I don't think I would present such a weak anecdotal argument as valid.

 

[Ron Mexico]

***** is also life in its earliest process. All human cells are living at some point as well. Human life is a process that can end at many stages in the process. If you have defined where that is and where it holds rights at, good for you. But calling someone how finds that point different disgusting and psychotic is extreme and leads to extreme behavior. For example more abortion clinic employees were killed by murderers this year in the USA than women who died during the abortion process in the rest of the world.

I am morally opposed to you as a man to be making decisions for women and their bodies and whats inside them. Even if my thoughts on abortion are different than others I dont find them disgusting and psychotic for having different morals, backgrounds, upbringing and ideas. Since the vast majority of humans simply take on the morals/religion they were born into. Most people who support abortion or oppose abortion are fighting for what they believe is right and a good thing. Even if I dont agree with them I can at least respect that they are trying to do something they believe is good. Disgusting and psychotic people are not trying to make the world a better place.

So where is that point for you that its life? The millisecond that the sperm enters the egg and not before? When the brain is developed? When cognitive thoughts start? When it starts looking like a human? When its able to survive on its own or out of the womb?

 

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Just imagine the outrage there would be if Planned Parenthood were selling harvested puppy parts...

Dutchjazzer already beats this doofus to this. Read the thread Rex.

 

[RandyForRubio]

***** is also life in its earliest process. All human cells are living at some point as well. Human life is a process that can end at many stages in the process. If you have defined where that is and where it holds rights at, good for you. But calling someone how finds that point different disgusting and psychotic is extreme and leads to extreme behavior. For example more abortion clinic employees were killed by murderers this year in the USA than women who died during the abortion process in the rest of the world.

I am morally opposed to you as a man to be making decisions for women and their bodies and whats inside them. Even if my thoughts on abortion are different than others I dont find them disgusting and psychotic for having different morals, backgrounds, upbringing and ideas. Since the vast majority of humans simply take on the morals/religion they were born into. Most people who support abortion or oppose abortion are fighting for what they believe is right and a good thing. Even if I dont agree with them I can at least respect that they are trying to do something they believe is good. Disgusting and psychotic people are not trying to make the world a better place.

So where is that point for you that its life? The millisecond that the sperm enters the egg and not before? When the brain is developed? When cognitive thoughts start? When it starts looking like a human? When its able to survive on its own or out of the womb?

Actually, deranged and psychotic people typically do feel they're making the world a better place. Take Hitler for example. You could also include the founder of Planned Parenthood in that. You know, the incredibly racist woman who thought it was morally right to kill babies who were disformed, mentally handicapped or even born from sickly parents. She was a real gem of a woman.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I don't think murder is right, but I don't wanna impose my moral views on anybody guysm.

 

[DutchJazzer]

***** is also life in its earliest process. All human cells are living at some point as well. Human life is a process that can end at many stages in the process. If you have defined where that is and where it holds rights at, good for you. But calling someone how finds that point different disgusting and psychotic is extreme and leads to extreme behavior. For example more abortion clinic employees were killed by murderers this year in the USA than women who died during the abortion process in the rest of the world.

I am morally opposed to you as a man to be making decisions for women and their bodies and whats inside them. Even if my thoughts on abortion are different than others I dont find them disgusting and psychotic for having different morals, backgrounds, upbringing and ideas. Since the vast majority of humans simply take on the morals/religion they were born into. Most people who support abortion or oppose abortion are fighting for what they believe is right and a good thing. Even if I dont agree with them I can at least respect that they are trying to do something they believe is good. Disgusting and psychotic people are not trying to make the world a better place.

So where is that point for you that its life? The millisecond that the sperm enters the egg and not before? When the brain is developed? When cognitive thoughts start? When it starts looking like a human? When its able to survive on its own or out of the womb?

I am morally opposed to you as a man to be making decisions for a to murder a unborn child in cold blood.

AGAIN:

its not heir bodies its the babies body.

****ing liberal scum

your no ****ing better then hitler! deciding jews are not human.
talking about her body. if she does not want potential human life in her body., SIMPLE she shouldn't stick a ****ing penis in her body.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I don't think murder is right, but I don't wanna impose my moral views on anybody guysm.

the problem is with abortuion and murder debate. is you can have your moral views. but what it comes down to if you think drugs is morally wrong and someone is taking drugs you can say dont impose your views on them.

but with abortion they are litterally murdering (potential) human live, so in a way you have to force your right view on them!.


we need to back and defend those incapable of it

 

[Stoked]

Really? Using Hitler? Give me a damn break. Neither one of those people are even in the same universe as Hitler.

What an absolutely idiotic thing to even say. Offensive and disgusting.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Really? Using Hitler? Give me a damn break. Neither one of those people are even in the same universe as Hitler.

What an absolutely idiotic thing to even say. Offensive and disgusting.

lets see.


hitler: jews, gypsys, ****, blacks are subhuman and need to be terminated sent them to the gas chamber(murdered millions of jews some 6 million
abortionist supportors: unborn babies are not human and may be terminated for recreational purposes. (per year about 1-1.2 million abortions which less then 1 % is justified and legitmate)

hmm hitler 6 milion jews murdered in 5 years. about 1,25 mil per year. seems to be at same rate


seems similar to me

 

[DutchJazzer]

allowing abortions to be so freely available(meaning for cases that not include rape and life threatening situations for the mother) devalues human live as a whole.
and when human live is devalued at a large scale, bad things happen to that society.

 

[Stoked]

I rarely say this but in my opinion you are a detriment to this board and it would be better off without you.

Ignored as you are no longer worth reading.