addictionary
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And it worked. Here we are talking about trading for him as fans. Butterfly effect. We have Jody here. He will take care of it. Hell even Gary can stop by and see this.
Dennis Schroeder "will seek other opportunities to be a starter"...
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That's one perspective is: Another is that the player is getting paid to show up at time. Everything else is free flowing negotiation.
If the player feels unhappy(no matter if it's immature or completely legit), his right is to do what he seems fit to improve HIS situation without violating the standardized player contract negotiated by the NBPA and the NBA. He isn't getting paid to contribute to team chemistry. If the team is feeling that's the sole purpose of a player being on a team at a given time and the player isn't doing that, they can cut him(aka ask him not to come, while still honoring the contract)
Stephen Jackson on the Spurs is a good example for that.
In the end that action can backfire, as other teams may get more reluctant to trade for him, make offers in the future. Or it will just mean attention and teams will do a more thorough background check and coordinate better with the coach they have at the time they try to sign him.
I think that situation is more complex than the simplifications some posters try to derive from it. And from my perspective, I'm just curious how it will play out.
After all I prognosticated the exact same thing that's happening right now. Dennis's personality is one where he's very confident in his abilities, and as soon as he feels he deserves opportunities, he'll push for them.
It happened in his rookie season and the Hawks tried some disciplinary actions for him to find his place on the roster(The DNPs and D-League tours were supposed to humble him, as he was challenging the vets from the beginning)
addictionary
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I personally love rookie competitiveness against team vets. Iverson was one of my idols growing up. So I don't have a problem with players like Schroder acting that way. But if the player disrespects his coach and teammates, this hurts team chemistry and if players are not getting paid for it, then basketball as I know is dead. Which is not. Quite the opposite actually. Even heroball lover franchises are after building the next Spurs now. A team with a lot of chemistry and understanding of each other and a team of which its members put team success above their own to reach the real deal.
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Ty Corbin would really hate to coach dennis lol
addictionary
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So if Dennis will come here and hurt the vibe then he is not needed. He is a UFA so he has every right to go to media and sell his ace though.
I'm not saying that chemistry isn't important. I'm just saying, it's not mandatory for players to comply with that. It obviously can very well lead to backlashes, if GMs burn mark him over it. Think of the case of Stephon Marbury.
I also don't think that Dennis isn't interested in being friends with guys in the locker room or actively trying to antagonize others. It's just that he wants to probe his leverage and get the opportunities on the court he feels he deserves. Making a fuzz in the media is from my POV smarter than highjacking possessions in games. If these looks you try to create aren't tailor made to feature your strengths and hide your weaknesses, they probably won't be as efficient. And the way I read his stuff is that he wants plays that are designed for him.
addictionary
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I think he is suffering from getting imprisoned in Teague's shadow for long enough so he speaks outburst enough to force his way out. Sometimes you are stuck in a situation you cannot get out of by only playing and you have to take action. He is doing it. It will be like Kanter. Leave the team helpless to either let you go or convince you.
Skillwise both could play alongside each other. Problem is while their skillset is somewhat different, they have both the same skinny body type. The team defense with a lot of other borderline undersized pieces could probably not compensate for the fact that Schröder would give up so much height and weight defensively against taller and/or heavier guards like Butler, Wade, Klay, Harden, Beal, Reddick, Green (I probably forgot some other taller guards on good teams)
These guys would simply shoot over him, go back to the basket or power through them on drives(some can even do all of the listed moves to abuse mismatches)
And that's where the tricky part begins because both are in their own way talented enough to be starters.
Schroeder is nearly a full 2 years older than Exum. I can definitely see Exum driving to the rim and scoring in his future, and possibly in a more impressive way than Dennis because he has the size to finish at/above the rim and be less bothered by length.
sahlensguy
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Unless we play LA and and am undermanned Denver team every night, making the playoffs is going to be a major challenge with our current pg situation. Burk and Hood for Dennis. I like it for this year, and would be thrilled to see him play next to Exum, with Neto as the backup.
Douchebag K
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Burk AND Hood for the dweeby little German munchkin ????..... are you insane ???
Hood > Schroeder
Joe Bagadonuts
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Man am I ever glad that you're not the GM.
sahlensguy
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If Burk has turned the corner then yeah, it's a crazy trade. But if it's the same career backup Burk, you'd have to overpay to upgrade the position. And as great as the flashes we've seen from Hood are, he's not a future star. Unless we're waiting for the return of Donte next season, and we're not going to make a serious playoff push, an upgrade is needed now. But the cake is baked imo. We know who we are, more or less. It can be time to exchange some of these assets for a position of need.
sahlensguy
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Who do you want as our starting pg this season?
sahlensguy
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Are you sure?
Schroeder shoots 2 pointers at a slightly higher rate than Hood and 3 pointers and FTs slightly lower. Schroeder averaged 10 points in 19.7 minutes while Hood averaged only 8.7 points in 21 minutes.
Joe Bagadonuts
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First I want to see what we've got and what sort of a winning pace we are on this year. That will take 20 games at least. At that point I wouldn't mind trading for DS if Burke hasn't improved significantly, but no way am I throwing Hood into the deal. I believe he should be our starting SG with Burks as 6th man. The value of our assets is that we have the ability to fill a hole without creating a different one.
sahlensguy
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Atlanta doesn't seem to be in a rush, if at all to trade DS anyway, but if Burk isn't the answer you would need to give up a piece, to get one back. Hood's stats aren't noticeably better, if at all than Schroeder's.
Joe Bagadonuts
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You are offering Burke and Hood, not just Hood. If Burke's improvement is legit (which nobody yet knows for sure) then Atlanta will have worked us on that trade.
sahlensguy
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I agree, and I said as much in am earlier reply. But if Burk doesn't improve to the level of a starting pg on a playoff competing team, then I think you take a chance on getting Schroeder. Atlanta would want a replacement at backup pg (Burk). Add Hood and roll.