RUSH Game Thread - Orlando @ Jazz - 12/3/15 7 PM MST

[Stoked]

I really don't agree with that assessment from Quinn about the start of the game -- Simply because of how hot Hayward was...

I can see why he said it, because he's hoping for a more collective effort and send a message to the starters that were slacking..

They scored 57 in the first half and 37 in the second half though.. Blaming the start almost seems like deflecting blame from how they closed the game in a malaise. This game was there for the taking - especially in the first half it seemed like Orlando was just going thru the motions.

Out side of Hayward he is absolutely right.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

So 6 minutes and 2 points for Aar Gordon? His shooting percentages are sub-par, as expected..

Is it safe to say he's worse than Julius Randle at this point?? who dropped 15 and 19 boards the other night and is a .7 rebounds per game away from averaging a double-double..


I had Vonleh higher, and I still don't hate that, he's still catching up to speed. The folks who had Randle above Aar Gordon were few and far between on this site though... Thought it was worth pointing out. @seattlejazzfan appears to be right.

My biggest swish from that draft, however, will most likely prove to be Jabari, simply because my assessment of him was so far outside the general consensus. He's even fatter than I thought he would be this soon and hasn't made a three this year.

 

[homeytennis]

My biggest swish from that draft, however, will most likely prove to be Jabari, simply because my assessment of him was so far outside the general consensus. He's even fatter than I thought he would be this soon and hasn't made a three this year.

If the team isn't playing with effort a lot of that is on coach.

 

[zman1527]

Magic picked up the D big time in the second half and we did not respond well. They were cutting us off, playing physical, forcing bad passes and turnovers.

 

[Getting Traded]

I really don't agree with that assessment from Quinn about the start of the game -- Simply because of how hot Hayward was...

I can see why he said it, because he's hoping for a more collective effort and send a message to the starters that were slacking..

They scored 57 in the first half and 37 in the second half though.. Blaming the start almost seems like deflecting blame from how they closed the game in a malaise. This game was there for the taking - especially in the first half it seemed like Orlando was just going thru the motions.

The effort wasn't there on defense. They were getting wide open shots on every possession. The Jazz would've been down 20 if it weren't for Hayward.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I had high hopes for Hood this season as well, but instead he's shooting the ball like 2014 Trey Burke or 2013 Gordon Hayward. Very disappointed.

The fact that Hayward had a shooting bounce back the next year and Burke has seemed to bounce back this year in shooting. This bodes well for hood.

If the team isn't playing with effort a lot of that is on coach.

The hell. Coaches can't make a team play harder. The players have to chose to want to play hard. A coach can motivate till he's blue in the face, but ultimately its up to the players. Don't be an idiot, though I know that's asking too much from u

 

[str8line]

Agree with all of you that the energy was lacking. You could just sense that the Jazz didn't have the killer instinct to get it done last night.

Favors just looks low energy in general...slow to run up the court and looks out of shape in his play. He looked winded and was sweating profusely in the first half. Is he eating poorly between games or something? Makes me wish he had a little Karl Malone in him, because he could be one of the best in the league.

Hayward looked like he decided not to waste his effort in a losing cause and disappeared down the stretch. We need a leader and while he has been terrific, Hayward didn't take over like he should have.

Pretty sad how there didn't seem to be a lot of motivation overall in the last quarter to step up and give it 100% when the game was still on the line. Without Rudy and his chip on his shoulder we might become a underperforming team. This was the perfect chance to show that we can win without Rudy and the Jazz failed big time.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I cant believe when Hayward was hot how many possessions he didnt touch the ball. Or they tried to run plays for the other guys. Just ride the hot hand. Hayward should have had more points in the first quarter and half. Part of it is him being more aggressive, part of it is the teammates but a lot of it is the coaching.

 

[da ThRONe]

I cant believe when Hayward was hot how many possessions he didnt touch the ball. Or they tried to run plays for the other guys. Just ride the hot hand. Hayward should have had more points in the first quarter and half. Part of it is him being more aggressive, part of it is the teammates but a lot of it is the coaching.

I agree with this. They went away from Gordon too early. Don't stop what's working until they make you.

 

[fishonjazz]

If the team isn't playing with effort a lot of that is on coach.

Why do you always quote the wrong post that you want to respond to?
Seems like you do it all the time

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors just looks low energy in general...slow to run up the court and looks out of shape in his play. He looked winded and was sweating profusely in the first half.

This.
I was texting back and forth with CL and brought this up multiple times. We both had money riding on favors performance so we were watching him closely and rooting for him and I kept noticing him being gassed/winded when he shouldn't have been based on how long he had been in the game and the effort he was putting out

 

[fishonjazz]

I cant believe when Hayward was hot how many possessions he didnt touch the ball. Or they tried to run plays for the other guys. Just ride the hot hand. Hayward should have had more points in the first quarter and half. Part of it is him being more aggressive, part of it is the teammates but a lot of it is the coaching.

Ya, it doesn't seem like the jazz want to ride the hot hand.
This is where the obvious unselfishness philosophy and sharing the ball too much can be a bad thing

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This.
I was texting back and forth with CL and brought this up multiple times. We both had money riding on favors performance so we were watching him closely and rooting for him and I kept noticing him being gassed/winded when he shouldn't have been based on how long he had been in the game and the effort he was putting out

I wonder if guarding the post tires him out more. Thought Withey should have started to guard Vucevic last night and this is part of the reason.

It would also be really nice if Hayward or Favors could get some calls when guys are holding them, tackling them, etc. Neither guy accentuates contact very well. Nicholson basically had Hayward wrapped up for a few seconds before they decided to blow the whistle on one.

 

[akirac73]

I cant believe when Hayward was hot how many possessions he didnt touch the ball. Or they tried to run plays for the other guys. Just ride the hot hand. Hayward should have had more points in the first quarter and half. Part of it is him being more aggressive, part of it is the teammates but a lot of it is the coaching.

I think in this day and age in the NBA everyone wants to get cute with their passing/motion offense and emulate Golden State or San Antonio. That's great and all, but if you find somthing that works, go with it. What ever happened to the Vince Lombardi coaching approach...keep running the same play over and over, no matter how boring, until the defense proves they can stop it. If Hayward or Favors is hot, give them the ball every god dammned time until the defense adjusts to it. The Jazz/Coach Snyder needs to learn how to exploit matchups where a "hot" player is destroying his defender and keep going to the well until it dries up.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think in this day and age in the NBA everyone wants to get cute with their passing/motion offense and emulate Golden State or San Antonio. That's great and all, but if you find somthing that works, go with it. What ever happened to the Vince Lombardi coaching approach...keep running the same play over and over, no matter how boring, until the defense proves they can stop it. If Hayward or Favors is hot, give them the ball every god dammned time until the defense adjusts to it. The Jazz/Coach Snyder needs to learn how to exploit matchups where a "hot" player is destroying his defender and keep going to the well until it dries up.

I fully agree. I do wonder though how much this is Snyder developing the team and still prioritizing development over winning. Although if you let Hayward keep going when hot it will open up all the other players and get them going when they got open shots since Hayward is a good distributor. I would like to hear from Snyder why when Hayward is hot and getting by his man at will in iso's he doesn't touch the ball for 3 straight possessions in the first quarter and when he does touch the ball the next couple possessions it is just to run the play and immediately has to pass it to a cutter to run the play.

 

[Julie Greengiant]

In the postgame, Snyder mentioned that the guards are having trouble executing post entry passes. Really obvious with Favors' 7 shot attempts. The amount of burn that Hood is getting is starting to wear on me. He's just shooting so poorly and taking the ball out of the best players hands.

 

[RJF]

Hayward's second half disappearing acts need to stop. You're the franchise player , be the franchise player.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

This.
I was texting back and forth with CL and brought this up multiple times. We both had money riding on favors performance so we were watching him closely and rooting for him and I kept noticing him being gassed/winded when he shouldn't have been based on how long he had been in the game and the effort he was putting out

Are you questioning Favors.....gasp....motor?

 

[fishonjazz]

Are you questioning Favors.....gasp....motor?

Not really..... That game he looked exhausted. Could be sick, or hurt, or something.

I don't know the cause, but he was tired and worn down looking to me

 

[akirac73]

In the postgame, Snyder mentioned that the guards are having trouble executing post entry passes. Really obvious with Favors' 7 shot attempts. The amount of burn that Hood is getting is starting to wear on me. He's just shooting so poorly and taking the ball out of the best players hands.

With Jerry Sloan and Karl Malone still involved with the franchise, Snyder needs to consult with them on ways to get Favors open on the block more easily. Who better to ask than SLoan and Malone?