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"Surprised if Teague Doesn't End Up in Utah"

♪alt13 said:
So we're going to trade a gifted player with a fantastic demeanor for a guy that has been sandbagging on a playoff team and only has 1 season left on his contract?

Ummmm **** dat
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Yeah that has to much of a Kanter feel to it if true.
 
kabenac said:
Teague has a super good contract. And if his production is dropping off you'd think he would sign for something similar. I wonder if we could have him sign an extension as a trade contingency?
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Plus if his play did fall off a bit he would be a good backup to exum.
 
Krakdol said:
The team already has its PG, it's Exum. I don't think a trade will happen, unless Atlanta is okay with Burke + pick or Burke + filler. Burke + Booker would be okay too.
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Saying we have our PG in Exum is assuming he comes back way better than what he was...from a major injury. Jazz would be risking everything on a HUGE unknown.

I think the trade, if it's either Burks or Burke + a protected pick makes a lot of sense. Teague has put them in a bit of a bind. Not as bad as Kanter, but every team knows the Hawks have to trade him. So his price should drop.
 
If I'm the Jazz I don't trade Burks! His abilities are the most rare and hardest to replace! His contract is also very good. Everyone outside of gobert, hood, exum, and Burks is replaceable at their value.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Saying we have our PG in Exum is assuming he comes back way better than what he was...from a major injury. Jazz would be risking everything on a HUGE unknown.

I think the trade, if it's either Burks or Burke + a protected pick makes a lot of sense. Teague has put them in a bit of a bind. Not as bad as Kanter, but every team knows the Hawks have to trade him. So his price should drop.
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The first paragraph is the assumption that most are making that kills me. We get Teague it relieves pressure for Dante. Still plenty of minutes to go around because Dante is so long.

I wouldn't trade burks though... I'd rather give picks or take back a splitter (I think he's considered a bad contract at this point right?)
 
MilesDeep said:
If I'm the Jazz I don't trade Burks! His abilities are the most rare and hardest to replace! His contract is also very good. Everyone outside of gobert, hood, exum, and Burks is replaceable at their value.
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What abilities are you talking about? I think we can replace layups. Maybe not super fancy ones, but 2 points is 2 points.
 
Hack said:
What abilities are you talking about? I think we can replace layups. Maybe not super fancy ones, but 2 points is 2 points.
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Burks has more speed than anyone on the jazz and is the best at getting to the rim and in iso situations.

Also is arguably (Hayward might be better) the best at drawing fouls on the team.
 
fishonjazz said:
Burks has more speed than anyone on the jazz and is the best at getting to the rim and in iso situations.

Also is arguably (Hayward might be better) the best at drawing fouls on the team.
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Why even respond to hack... He's either trolling or gone full tard.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Why even respond to hack... He's either trolling or gone full tard.
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Or I'm just a sane person who will talk about things without my homer glasses on.


Burks doesn't have handles good enough to get where he wants on the court. Yes, he can dive to the hoop on occasion and get a bucket. But his handles are limited. His fakes and jukes are very sub par. In those aspects of his game, hes not close to being dominant or elite.

Burks isn't a good defender. He plays too close to his man. He doesn't stay in front of his man well. He's by no means a shut down defender.

Burks doesn't have a great jumper. he can make shots, but he's inconsistent because he doesn't shoot with consistent balance. He drifts quite a bit, and his shot is often flat. Even if he shoots well sometimes, he's by no means thought of as a great shooter.

Burks is a good athlete, but he doesn't use it to his advantage well. With limited handles, it's hard to use your speed. He has good elevation, but makes poor choices when to use it. Which is why he gets himself hurt. His attempts at crazy throw downs exemplifies this. They are never clean. they look very forced.

Those are not the type of qualities you want in a shooting guard. He does have qualities that make you want to believe he could be a really good player, but I don't think hes getting any better. He's 24.5 years old now. He really hasn't changed since his rookie year. People may say he has, but he really hasn't. The only thing that has changed is opportunity.

I'm becoming more convinced he isn't gonna develop the way we hoped. I think it's best to sell whats left of his intrigue to someone else, and salvage what perceived value he has left.
 
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Hack does make some valid points. While Burks is certainly replaceable, I don't think giving him up for Teague is the right deal. Offer should be Burke + the lesser of the 2017 picks (have to hedge in case of catastrophe - google SA/Duncan). Getting Teague gives Utah 4 PG's. Giving up Burks lessens a very good wing rotation. Burks is a great 6th man, especially if Trey is gone. And he's on a very good contract. Alec's value will likely increase once he comes back from injury and if he's the #1 option on the 2nd unit, replacing the shots Burke is now taking,
 
Stifle Tower said:
Hack does make some valid points. While Burks is certainly replaceable, I don't think giving him up for Teague is the right deal. Offer should be Burke + the lesser of the 2017 picks (have to hedge in case of catastrophe - google SA/Duncan). Getting Teague gives Utah 4 PG's. Giving up Burks lessens a very good wing rotation. Burks is a great 6th man, especially if Trey is gone. And he's on a very good contract. Alec's value will likely increase once he comes back from injury and if he's the #1 option on the 2nd unit, replacing the shots Burke is now taking,
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2017 is a loaded year talent wise. I wouldn't give up any of our 2017 picks unless I'm sure we're getting assets we can hang on to for years to come.


And if anyone's gonna say ... "Well what use is a late first?"


Answer: Gobert & Hood are late firsts.
 
ONE LOVE said:
2017 is a loaded year talent wise. I wouldn't give up any of our 2017 picks unless I'm sure we're getting assets we can hang on to for years to come.


And if anyone's gonna say ... "Well what use is a late first?"


Answer: Gobert & Hood are late firsts.
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And we Gobert in a "down year" in terms of draft talent. The 2014 draft was "loaded" as well and look at some of the players taken late 1st: Napier, Capela, Huestis, Hairston Wilcox. I think you overvalue that GS pick. It was a good risk by DL, but GS became a championship team instead of just average. That gamble didn't pay off huge - unless he's EXTREMELY lucky with a pick or uses it in a trade.

So what in your opinion is better to give up...the 2016 pick if it looks like Utah will be in the 15-17 range, or the GS pick, which is likely in the 28-30 range in 2017? Or do you just pass on Teague and wait for next year and hope some of these assets we're accumulating pay off, while some are burned (i.e players picked and don't make the roster or DL trades the picks for cash)?
 
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Stifle Tower said:
And we got them in "down years" in terms of draft talent. So what in your opinion is better to give up...the 2016 pick if it looks like Utah will be in the 15-17 range, or the GS pick, which is likely in the 28-30 range in 2017? Or do you just pass on Teague and wait for next year and hope some of these assets we're accumulating pay off, while some are burned (i.e players picked and don't make the roster or DL trades the picks for cash)?
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I would rather do the Burks & Teague swap than giving up first round draft picks of any kind is what I'm saying...
 
ONE LOVE said:
I would rather do the Burks & Teague swap than giving up first round draft picks of any kind is what I'm saying...
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Wow. You think Burks is worse than what we'd get late first in 2017? Sorry, even in a deep draft you don't generally get talent like that in the late 20's (see my edit re: 2014 draft). Sure, there are a few scattered examples. But for every Hood or Gobert, you'll find 10 Morris Almonds and Eric Maynors (or any of the others I cited above).
 
Stifle Tower said:
Wow. You think Burks is worse than what we'd get late first in 2017? Sorry, even in a deep draft you don't generally get talent like that in the late 20's (see my edit re: 2014 draft). Sure, there are a few scattered examples. But for every Hood or Gobert, you'll find 10 Morris Almonds and Eric Maynors (or any of the others I cited above).
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I didn't say Burks is worse, but for a small market team like the Jazz a draft pick is a lot more important than keeping an overpriced fringe starter. Not saying Burks isn't a good player but let's be real, you have to think about flexibility as well.


Would you say Burks is better than Hood? No right? Hood is a late first rounder in an average draft. So is Gobert. I know we won't be hitting the jackpot every time, but with DL's drafting track record (barring Trey who was really a Ty's pick), I'd roll the dice with him getting us another solid player who we can have on cheap contract for years to come.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I didn't say Burks is worse, but for a small market team like the Jazz a draft pick is a lot more important than keeping an overpriced fringe starter. Not saying Burks isn't a good player but let's be real, you have to think about flexibility as well.


Would you say Burks is better than Hood? No right? Hood is a late first rounder in an average draft. So is Gobert. I know we won't be hitting the jackpot every time, but with DL's drafting track record (barring Trey who was really a Ty's pick), I'd roll the dice with him getting us another solid player who we can have on cheap contract for years to come.
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Trey wasnt Ty's pick. You really can't believe DL deferred to a coach he didnt even want to re-sign.
 
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