Donald Trump

[Gameface]

You and Gameface must live in North Korea.

Naw, I just don't attend very many klan rallies.

 

[JimLes]

You know, we have a Trump of our own and everytime he wins an election, I kinda wish I voted him so I could have vote the winner at least once in my lifetime.

I've voted in at least a dozen local and federal elections in my life time and not once did my candidate get elected. The party I voted for won one of those 12 times, but that's about it.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

No but I can read and understand data.

Please point out to me where I've argued that government provision of services is in all cases high quality? That the DMV may not work well at times is irrelevant to the discussion, particularly when one has actual data one can use, as opposed to anecdotes.

I suppose, then, that if I pointed out anecdotes of poor efficiency and service delivery by certain private sector firms, you'd find that a compelling reason to conclude that the private sector is inherently inefficient. That is, at least, what the logic of your argument suggest.

Neither am I necessarily suggesting the US should move to a single payer system; what I want is a reasonable, rational policy debate about health care policy, which isn't possible given the current environment created by Republican dog whistle pandering to it's angry white person base.

My impression is that the service I receive from government entities is significantly worse than the service I receive from the private sector. If a private sector company imitated DMV's service practices they would soon be out of business.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

My impression is that the service I receive from government entities is significantly worse than the service I receive from the private sector. If a private sector company imitated DMV's service practices they would soon be out of business.

How many private businesses have you interacted with that are funded by public funds and must adhere for public procurement procedures? There's a reason its slow and inefficient, it's called tax payer accountability. It adds many layers of bureaucracy to every publicly funded and operated entity. So when people say that the private sector could do it better and faster, they really have no ****ing clue what they're talking about. FYI.

 

[Gameface]

The DMV has been pretty phenomenal the last 4 times I've had to go there.

 

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[fishonjazz]

The DMV has been pretty phenomenal the last 4 times I've had to go there.

Ya, they have got things turned around.

Not bad at all anymore

 

[JAZZGASM]

How many private businesses have you interacted with that are funded by public funds and must adhere for public procurement procedures? There's a reason its slow and inefficient, it's called tax payer accountability. It adds many layers of bureaucracy to every publicly funded and operated entity. So when people say that the private sector could do it better and faster, they really have no ****ing clue what they're talking about. FYI.

Some private businesses offer DMV Services in California. After registering my first car at the CA DMV ****show, I went to AAA for my wife's car and was in and out in no time at all.

 

[Deleted member 848]

My impression is that the service I receive from government entities is significantly worse than the service I receive from the private sector.

Unfortunately when you have all services becoming private entities, rights become privileges.

 

[Gameface]

If anyone thinks the DMV doesn't care and hasn't tried to improve customer service, you should have gone to the same DMV 20 years ago. Serving a smaller population they did a much worse job. They are trying. The people I've dealt with were very courteous, competent and efficient. I've been to the Taylorsville location and the Point of the Mountain location. Both awesome.

The **** they do is something no private company would ever want to do. I bet AAA will deal with the easy **** and tell you that you need to actually go to the DMV the second your situation is complicated.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

How many private businesses have you interacted with that are funded by public funds and must adhere for public procurement procedures? There's a reason its slow and inefficient, it's called tax payer accountability. It adds many layers of bureaucracy to every publicly funded and operated entity. So when people say that the private sector could do it better and faster, they really have no ****ing clue what they're talking about. FYI.

My ex wife worked for the health department. Her coworkers talked about the public with contempt. They bragged about golfing during working hours, setting files aside when business owners frustrated them, etc. I do not think that these sorts of things are because of increased accountability. The delays at the DMV have nothing to do with the issues you state. They US Post office does not have long lines because of accountability. The lines are long because it makes no difference to anyone at the post office to open up another window when there are a lot of customers waiting. On the opposite side of the spectrum, the grocery store down the street from me immediately opens another checkstand any time three or more people are in line. Are they able to do this because they don't have tax payer accountability?

 

[BabyPeterzz]

My ex wife worked for the health department. Her coworkers talked about the public with contempt. They bragged about golfing during working hours, setting files aside when business owners frustrated them, etc. I do not think that these sorts of things are because of increased accountability. The delays at the DMV have nothing to do with the issues you state. They US Post office does not have long lines because of accountability. The lines are long because it makes no difference to anyone at the post office to open up another window when there are a lot of customers waiting. On the opposite side of the spectrum, the grocery store down the street from me immediately opens another checkstand any time three or more people are in line. Are they able to do this because they don't have tax payer accountability?

While your personal anecdotes are great stories, they in no way represent the system as a whole. I'm sorry your wife worked with assholes, but that happens in the private sector too. If you're so unhappy with your service at the post office, why not go to fedex or UPS instead. Cost you say? Yeah, unfortunately good stuff costs money, and under paid, stressed out public employees sometimes don't give a **** about your feelings. Get over it, or go to bat to increase pay and service for public institutions. As for all the other stuff, yeah most of that is due to limited resources and/or laziness. Boo hoo.


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[BabyPeterzz]

And guess what, just like in most customer service jobs, customers are assholes. Yes, I know it's hard to believe but it's true.


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[Joe Bagadonuts]

While your personal anecdotes are great stories, they in no way represent the system as a whole. I'm sorry your wife worked with assholes, but that happens in the private sector too. If you're so unhappy with your service at the post office, why go to fedex or UPS instead. Cost you say? Yeah, unfortunately good stuff costs money, and under paid, stressed out public employees sometimes don't give a **** about your feelings. Get over it, or go to bat to increase pay and service for public institutions. As for all the other stuff, yeah most of that is due to limited resources and laziness. Boo hoo.


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I commented that I get better service in the private sector than the public. You said that was because of accountability issues. I gave specific examples that have nothing to do with accountability. You now say it has to do with pay and are giving me the boo hoo treatment. Makes sense.

BTW, who gets paid more, postal employees or grocery store clerks?

And regarding my ex's coworkers, they knew and bragged that they could not be fired. They also knew they had an early retirement and pension headed their way. I could give numerous examples of this in the public sector. Although you claim it's just as common in the private sector, I can't think of any examples. What I can think of are examples of people who got fired from private sector positions for doing a bad job.

 

[Deleted member 848]

While your personal anecdotes are great stories, they in no way represent the system as a whole.

should be one of those auto-responses to tons of posters on the right wing.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I commented that I get better service in the private sector than the public. You said that was because of accountability issues. I gave specific examples that have nothing to do with accountability. You now say it has to do with pay and are giving me the boo hoo treatment. Makes sense.

BTW, who gets paid more, postal employees or grocery store clerks?

And regarding my ex's coworkers, they knew and bragged that they could not be fired. They also knew they had an early retirement and pension headed their way. I could give numerous examples of this in the public sector. Although you claim it's just as common in the private sector, I can't think of any examples. What I can think of are examples of people who got fired from private sector positions for doing a bad job.

I didn't mention accountability at all. I said it was due to cost, and public procurement issues aka bureaucracy. You're whining using generalities and platitudes as grounds for complaints. I'm saying you don't understand the system. But if your going to complain because assholes exist, well I don't know what to tell you.


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[RandyForRubio]

With a tax rate of 0.1% the model shows drops in GDP (-1.76%) in the long-run. It should be noted that these strong
results are related to the fact that the tax is cumulative and cascading which leads to rather strong economic reactions in
the model.’ (Vol. 1 (Summary), p. 50)
‘[A] stylised transaction tax on securities (STT), where it is assumed that all investment in the economy are financed with
the help of securities (shares and bonds) at 0.1% is simulated to cause output losses (i.e. deviation of GDP from its longrun
baseline level) of up to 1.76% in the long run, while yielding annual revenues of less than 0.1% of GDP.’ (Vol. 1 (Summary),
p. 33)
A reasonable estimate of the marginal rate of taxation for EU countries is 40-50% of any increase in GDP. That is, that
from all of the various taxes levied, 40-50% of any increase in GDP ends up as tax revenues to the respective governments.
Thus if we have a fall of 1.76% in GDP we have a fall in tax revenues of 0.7-0.9% of GDP. The proposed FTT is
a tax which collects 0.1% of GDP while other tax collections fall by 0.7-0.9% of GDP. It is very difficult indeed to describe
this as an increase in tax revenue.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...actions-tax-it-would-lose-money/#547852545974

So decrease in GDP, decrease in revenue, and decrease in tax revenue. Sounds great. Let's also mention that it probably won't hurt the big guys, but the people that just dabble in investments? They're going to stop. Their brokers? Out of a job. There are better ways to raise money than this tax.

Bump for Dala, per request.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

How many private businesses have you interacted with that are funded by public funds and must adhere for public procurement procedures? There's a reason its slow and inefficient, it's called tax payer accountability. It adds many layers of bureaucracy to every publicly funded and operated entity. So when people say that the private sector could do it better and faster, they really have no ****ing clue what they're talking about. FYI.

I didn't mention accountability at all. I said it was due to cost, and public procurement issues aka bureaucracy. You're whining using generalities and platitudes as grounds for complaints. I'm saying you don't understand the system. But if your going to complain because assholes exist, well I don't know what to tell you.


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One of us didn't read your original post very closely. (Hint: It wasn't me.)

 

[BabyPeterzz]

One of us didn't read your original post very closely. (Hint: It wasn't me.)

Lol, nice catch. My bad, I was posting at the game and not paying close enough attention. But it still doesn't change the fact that everything you're complaining about has do do with individual laziness and/or systematic bureaucracy. If you want to argue that grocery store clerks work harder than government employees go for it, but you would be incorrect.

Edit: Aaaaand accountability does come into play with the examples you gave. Grocery stores can open more lanes for you because they can afford to do so with greater amount of employees and resources. When you're at the DMV or the post office you have to wait because most of the time those people are doing the job of 3 or more people. Tax payer accountability limits resources due to the cost of keeping expenditures as low as possible due to the constant policing of waste aka bureaucracy.

What's funny is it's the lack of trust in government is what cause most of the waste, inefficiency, and bureaucracy. Pick your poison.

 

[Nate505]

Can I ask why Americans are so incredibly committed to the constitution? Probably a difficult question. I mean i get that it's the founding document of your country, but it's over 200 years old. I'm not saying ya'll should scrap the whole thing, but why are people so outraged when anyone suggests doing something that might be even slightly 'unconstitutional'?

The most basic answer is that the Constitution is the rule book that the government plays by, and most people don't like it when the rules are broken or someone wants to break them.

The part of the Constitution that most people care about (at least IMO) is the Bill of Rights, and that is there so that the powers that be don't try to usurp our rights, most of which the public still holds to be important. Now many laws have been passed to hurt those rights (such as the war on drugs completely obliterating the 4th Amendment), but we still like the idea of them anyway.