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Where does Utah fit in the West?

King Cy said:
Elton Brand was a star tho

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Yeah he made the all-star game once as a reserve, but I wasn't necessarily trying to group them based on who made the all-star game. I was trying to group them into tiers, and he's not really in the same conversation as the other guys.
 
KD's Framily said:
Yeah he made the all-star game once as a reserve, but I wasn't necessarily trying to group them based on who made the all-star game. I was trying to group them into tiers, and he's not really in the same conversation as the other guys.
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Yeah he was. He was just on the Clippers.

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So sick of star this star that, and "why the hell haven't we gotten a star". This isn't really something the Jazz can control. They aren't going to sign one, and drafting one is rare. We need to be looking from with in. Exum, Hood, Gobert, and Lyles. And decide who to keep between them and Hayward, and Favors, using the odd man/men to get future assets. We are in good shape to do it his with the cheap contracts the Jazz have now, and their recent rep for good drafting and having over 30 million to spend. Next man up kind of thing. My expectations going in was this would be a long *** rebuild.
 
King Cy said:
So was Yao. This list sucks.

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I think of him as a star and close to superstar but not quite
 
King Cy said:
He was a cultural superstar and he put up super star stats when he was healthy.

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I agree about the cultural thing and don't care.
I guess he did put up superstar type numbers for a couple years. 25 points, 9.4 rebounds, 2 blocks one year (his best year) and a couple other years just a notch below that one.
 
green said:
Love would fit in perfectly with us. He would spread the floor, rebound, be great in the pick and roll with Hayward/Exum/Hood.

Anyone who wouldn't trade Favors for Love...well, thank god they aren't our GM.
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So, Love is the answer to our contender drought? When Love was in Minnesota didn't he want out because he was with a team that had no vision for playoff advancement? Would he not be in the same situation here? Thank God that someone not wanting to trade Favors for Love is not a GM of ours, right? Because our GM holds such a high pedigree of winning standards? If the Cav's had Favors instead of Love would they still be seeing the same success that they are seeing now? No, they wouldn't.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
So sick of star this star that, and "why the hell haven't we gotten a star". This isn't really something the Jazz can control. They aren't going to sign one, and drafting one is rare. We need to be looking from with in. Exum, Hood, Gobert, and Lyles. And decide who to keep between them and Hayward, and Favors, using the odd man/men to get future assets. We are in good shape to do it his with the cheap contracts the Jazz have now, and their recent rep for good drafting and having over 30 million to spend. Next man up kind of thing. My expectations going in was this would be a long *** rebuild.
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Obtaining a star is something that the Jazz can't control? Are you serious? Like when you refer to "the Jazz" you are talking about a monster that has a picky diet. We most certainly can get a star if we try. Something that we haven't tried to do or will try to do in the past or the near future. Jazz could go after any star they want or put in the effort to develop one of their players into a star. The problem is we don't have any candidates for a future star and that's pretty sad considering this is a watered down NBA. We should be able to develop guys like Gobert, Hayward, Favors, etc. Even though they are good players they are not star quality. The Jazz will be behind all the way until KOC kills over and then we have to take advantage of the opportunity at hand and replace him with someone that can think straight. KOC is a puppet master with his wavering hand so far up Dennis Lindsey's ***, you can't tell where KOC ends and DL begins. Saying that they Jazz don't control their own destiny is crazy. They can control it even though they have not displayed good examples in the past, that is the front office's part. Can't control it? A championship trophy doesn't fall out of a unicorns ***.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Obtaining a star is something that the Jazz can't control? Are you serious? Like when you refer to "the Jazz" you are talking about a monster that has a picky diet. We most certainly can get a star if we try. Something that we haven't tried to do or will try to do in the past or the near future. Jazz could go after any star they want or put in the effort to develop one of their players into a star. The problem is we don't have any candidates for a future star and that's pretty sad considering this is a watered down NBA. We should be able to develop guys like Gobert, Hayward, Favors, etc. Even though they are good players they are not star quality. The Jazz will be behind all the way until KOC kills over and then we have to take advantage of the opportunity at hand and replace him with someone that can think straight. KOC is a puppet master with his wavering hand so far up Dennis Lindsey's ***, you can't tell where KOC ends and DL begins. Saying that they Jazz don't control their own destiny is crazy. They can control it even though they have not displayed good examples in the past, that is the front office's part. Can't control it? A championship trophy doesn't fall out of a unicorns ***.
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what a bunch of drivel.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
KOC is a puppet master with his wavering hand so far up Dennis Lindsey's ***, you can't tell where KOC ends and DL begins.
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Yes, the continuity between KOC and DL is remarkable. Analytics, sports science, player development, scouting strategy. All precisely the same as in KOC's day.

I read this and I can't take anything else you say seriously.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Obtaining a star is something that the Jazz can't control? Are you serious? Like when you refer to "the Jazz" you are talking about a monster that has a picky diet. We most certainly can get a star if we try. Something that we haven't tried to do or will try to do in the past or the near future. Jazz could go after any star they want or put in the effort to develop one of their players into a star. The problem is we don't have any candidates for a future star and that's pretty sad considering this is a watered down NBA. We should be able to develop guys like Gobert, Hayward, Favors, etc. Even though they are good players they are not star quality. The Jazz will be behind all the way until KOC kills over and then we have to take advantage of the opportunity at hand and replace him with someone that can think straight. KOC is a puppet master with his wavering hand so far up Dennis Lindsey's ***, you can't tell where KOC ends and DL begins. Saying that they Jazz don't control their own destiny is crazy. They can control it even though they have not displayed good examples in the past, that is the front office's part. Can't control it? A championship trophy doesn't fall out of a unicorns ***.
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Well, there's 30seconds of my life I'll never get back.

What the hell is wrong with u?! Please put me on your ignore list.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
So, Love is the answer to our contender drought? When Love was in Minnesota didn't he want out because he was with a team that had no vision for playoff advancement? Would he not be in the same situation here? Thank God that someone not wanting to trade Favors for Love is not a GM of ours, right? Because our GM holds such a high pedigree of winning standards? If the Cav's had Favors instead of Love would they still be seeing the same success that they are seeing now? No, they wouldn't.
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Lol. Who said Love would make us a contender?

I've said all along we only contend if Exum takes us there.

Love gets us to the playoffs. Love gives us a scorer. And when his deal is up, he goes off to LA and hopefully Lyles is ready to take over.
 
green said:
Lol. Who said Love would make us a contender?

Love gets us to the playoffs.

I'd trade Favors, Burks, Burke and our pick for Love.
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So, to recap, you want us to trade Favors, Burks, Burke and a lottery pick to get us into the playoffs.

The notion that we do not have the talent to make the playoffs if we stand pat is incredible (given team age and reasonable expectations around development). You can see how we are confused, since your source for this thread is Locke, whose consistent thesis is that we need a top 10 talent to become a contender, and who clearly believes that this team will be a playoff team with normal player development.

Lol, indeed.
 
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