2011 draft.....

[NUMBERICA]

Ya but when has match up problems ever favored the smaller player. Unless he has Okur accuracy from tthree point land history is not on his side. I like Williams game though, will just have to see his measurements and how he performs in the tournament against better competition.

Agreed. And I think he projects as more of a tweener than a true multi-positional threat, but I believe that's how most hybrid Fs are anyway.

But matchups favor smaller players if they are relatively agile and can shoot. As a 4 he would likely be undersized but the kid is a light-out shooter, a good ballhandler for a 4, and relatively quick for a 4. As a 3, he looks bigger and more powerful than most 3s and with a polished post game to match. On defense this might create problems for him, but he seems smart and committed enough to make the best of the situation, in addition to that building a real defensive scheme can significantly help minimize any shortcomings he might have in that regard.

Another player comparison that is probably most apt would be young Antawn Jamison with a better shot. That would be pretty bad ***.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Paul Pierce looks fat and slow, but he is great as a SF because he uses his size and strength, along with craftiness to his advantage. I dont see why Derrick Williams cant do the same if he has the skills.

 

[NAOS]

Paul Pierce looks fat and slow, but he is great as a SF because he uses his size and strength, along with craftiness to his advantage. I dont see why Derrick Williams cant do the same if he has the skills.

just a quick rant parallel to this statement:

I'm getting bloody sick of the fetishization of "atheleticism". Craftiness, body control, and the ability to shoot the ball are all under-represented in this fetish. I don't think the fans of John Stockton's former team should need to be reminded that these qualities make up the lion's share of a skillset that translates into a successful NBA career.

 

[Jazz4ever]

just a quick rant parallel to this statement:

I'm getting bloody sick of the fetishization of "atheleticism". Craftiness, body control, and the ability to shoot the ball are all under-represented in this fetish. I don't think the fans of John Stockton's former team should need to be reminded that these qualities make up the lion's share of a skillset that translates into a successful NBA career.

True, but you need to be either big or athletic to win in this league. In the Boozer/Deron, we were both small AND unathletic. Minus the Golden State fluke, we saw pretty clearly the 2nd round was our ceiling with that core, we need to avoid repeating the same mistake twice.

 

[NUMBERICA]

True, but you need to be either big or athletic to win in this league. In the Boozer/Deron, we were both small AND unathletic. Minus the Golden State fluke, we saw pretty clearly the 2nd round was our ceiling with that core, we need to avoid repeating the same mistake twice.

The Spurs aren't insanely athletic either. You need some but skilled, intelligent players that aren't total stiffs are what win most. In fact, most teams are made up of aging once-athletic players who are just skilled and savvy and still just athletic enough.

And the Jazz have Favors. If the team is to go anywhere as lofty as contention then he and his athleticism will count for a lot.

As a tangent, the discussion of Jimmer is whether he has even the base athleticism or size and I think you're gambling if you think he does.

 

[prodigy]

A guy i like but probably won't be in the jazz range is JaJuan Johnson a power forward from Purdue. He has made some significant improvements year by year. One of those hard working guys you can tell by his stats. As a freshman he shot just 64% from ft line, well as a senior he shoots 81% ft, for a PF that's pretty darn good. He's got a nice looking offensive game that includes a reliable jumpshot. He can also hold his own as a defender, blocking 2.4 shots per game this season. Recently Jared Sullinger of Ohio St. called Johnson the POTY in the big ten.

from draft express

With Robbie Hummel missing the year after re-injuring his ACL in practice before the start of the season, senior JaJuan Johnson -- along with fellow senior guard E'Twaun Moore -- has had to pick up much of the scoring load for Purdue. Johnson has responded by leading the Big Ten in scoring while showing the incremental improvement we have come to expect from the lanky big man.

Sporting an improved frame, adding a good 10-15 pounds of much needed bulk, Johnson has slowly but surely expanded his offensive game each season he's been at Purdue, developing a very dependable right handed hook shot and turnaround fade away jumper over either shoulder in the post. The improvement has continued this year, as his 1.054 points per possession on post up situations is the highest of his four year career, a testament to the strength he's added. He has a very high release point on both shots, showing the ability to get the shot off over long defenders and the touch to make contested shots.

and nbadraft.net

A lean, athletic forward who thrives in the open floor … A superior athlete with excellent length, leaping ability and body control … Also a force defensively using his 7-foot plus wingspan to register over 2 blocks per game … His offensive game has shown steady improvement (15 ppg as a junior) … Solid and consistent from the line at over 70% … Has developed a righty jump hook shot … Gets a lot of dunks off of ally oops … Quick off his feet … Good fluidity. Runs the floor well … Came into Chicago adidas Nations camp in August looking bulked up (possibly in the 225 lbs range). Shoulders appear to be rounding out some … Plays with good energy. High motor … Mature person off the court (senior) who will enter the league with a degree …

projected on nbadraft as late 1st round, on draft express early 2nd round..looks like steal

unless he leads Purdue deep into the tourney and sees his stock rise

 

[cowhide]

My picks are:

1. Irving
2. D. Williams
3. Barnes
4. Kanter
5. T. Jones or Hamilton

After the first two or three picks, there are few potential superstar picks and even the first 3 picks may not become superstars.
I 've watched T. Jones twice now and I think he is a more physical CJ Miles except he is not as good as an outside shooter than CJ is. I am impressed with his toughness and rebounding but he hasn't show any outside game at all. Most of his damage is done with rebounding and put backs.

His game seems more like an undersized PF instead of a SF but I am going to keep a close watch to see if he has the ability to come off a curl or make jumpshots. I know its just two games but it doesn't look like he plays like an SF.

I think I would be disappointed if the Jazz got T. Jones at this point but since I've seen very little of him and he is young who knows what type of player he becomes.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Guys I would like to get in the 6-8 range.

-Harrison Barnes
-Enes Kanter
-Terrence Jones

Guys in 12-14 range
-Jonas Valanciunas (Looks really good on highlight reels)
-Brandon Knight (Only if we determine he can play PG)
-Jordan Hamilton

One guy who probably won't get drafted that I like.
-Ben Hansbrough

 

[NCJazz]

Guys I would like to get in the 6-8 range.

-Harrison Barnes
-Enes Kanter
-Terrence Jones

Guys in 12-14 range
-Jonas Valanciunas (Looks really good on highlight reels)
-Brandon Knight (Only if we determine he can play PG)
-Jordan Hamilton

One guy who probably won't get drafted that I like.
-Ben Hansbrough

Valanciunas probably gone by the. Besides can you imagine Harpring trying to prounounce his name. Is Ben a PG or a SG? Gotta like the 30pts 10 assists against Villanova. Perhaps Big East player of the year? Does he have the fire like big bro?

 

[Qman]

A guy i like but probably won't be in the jazz range is JaJuan Johnson a power forward from Purdue. He has made some significant improvements year by year. One of those hard working guys you can tell by his stats. As a freshman he shot just 64% from ft line, well as a senior he shoots 81% ft, for a PF that's pretty darn good. He's got a nice looking offensive game that includes a reliable jumpshot. He can also hold his own as a defender, blocking 2.4 shots per game this season. Recently Jared Sullinger of Ohio St. called Johnson the POTY in the big ten.


projected on nbadraft as late 1st round, on draft express early 2nd round..looks like steal

unless he leads Purdue deep into the tourney and sees his stock rise

He would be a useful player who isn't a star. The concern is that he is about 220 and will not be likely to put on more weight. So he is a underweight PF only.

 

[NCJazz]

He would be a useful player who isn't a star. The concern is that he is about 220 and will not be likely to put on more weight. So he is a underweight PF only.

Think we might already have one of these.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Valanciunas probably gone by the. Besides can you imagine Harpring trying to prounounce his name. Is Ben a PG or a SG? Gotta like the 30pts 10 assists against Villanova. Perhaps Big East player of the year? Does he have the fire like big bro?

Yeah, he might be gone then. Have to see what happens in some of his workouts. I don't care if Hansbrough is a PG or SG, he has to be better than what Price seems to do for us 90% of the time. His jumper looks smooth!

 

[BENTLEY]

Saw Terrence Jones play today against Tennessee. He looked good - lotta hustle. But his FT% was in the 60s. Not great. Still not sure what to make of him. But so far I like him better than some. This draft does appear rather weak. maybe Jimmer isn't such a bad prospect after all - for the second first rounder (around 13).

 

[Jazz4ever]

A guy i like but probably won't be in the jazz range is JaJuan Johnson a power forward from Purdue. He has made some significant improvements year by year. One of those hard working guys you can tell by his stats. As a freshman he shot just 64% from ft line, well as a senior he shoots 81% ft, for a PF that's pretty darn good. He's got a nice looking offensive game that includes a reliable jumpshot. He can also hold his own as a defender, blocking 2.4 shots per game this season. Recently Jared Sullinger of Ohio St. called Johnson the POTY in the big ten.

from draft express


and nbadraft.net



projected on nbadraft as late 1st round, on draft express early 2nd round..looks like steal

unless he leads Purdue deep into the tourney and sees his stock rise

Good find prodigy, he has improved every year which is one of the first things I look for. He is listed at 215 but probably closer to 230 lbs now. Still a bit light for an NBA pf. If the Jazz were to trade Millsap for a shooting guard, they might consider trading down on their own pick and get Johnson as a backup PF. Otherwise Johnson won't be remotely on their radar.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The Spurs aren't insanely athletic either. You need some but skilled, intelligent players that aren't total stiffs are what win most. In fact, most teams are made up of aging once-athletic players who are just skilled and savvy and still just athletic enough.

And the Jazz have Favors. If the team is to go anywhere as lofty as contention then he and his athleticism will count for a lot.

As a tangent, the discussion of Jimmer is whether he has even the base athleticism or size and I think you're gambling if you think he does.

I can't agree with that. As a point guard you don't need as much athleticism as other positions. Stockton was speedy in his youth but not much hops. Dwill had hops but below average foot speed and lateral movement. You need basketball IQ above anything as a point guard, and that is what you have to question Jimmer on. He takes some bad shots. Maybe he figures an off balance shot by him is just as high % shot as an open shot by his teamate, which may be true. If drafted by the Jazz he might stun everyone and take the starting PG job from Harris within a year. KOC will have to scout him good because he is a definite option at 12-13.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Why does everyone want all these hybrid forwards to slow to play the sf to small for pf I thought we needed wings

 

[BENTLEY]

I want BPA. I'm still evaluating the prospects.

Right now I might like Irving and Kanter. I might like Nolan Smith. Not sure what I think of Barnes or T. Jones.

Souring on Perry Jones, Jordan Hamilton.

Warming on Fredette.

I expect many changes in my opinion before draft day.

 

[Fishsticks]

See...not making a new thread for the sake of making one. Learn something noobs!


Here is some Jazz and draft related quotes from Fords Chat:

Clint (Utah)


With Utah (and Cleveland) likely having 2 lottery picks, do you see teams above them trading down in a 2 for 1?

Chad Ford (1:36 PM)


No. They want those lottery picks.

Curt (NJ)


Chad, is this the weakest draft class since the turn of the century?

Chad Ford (1:40 PM)


That may be going a little far. But the consensus is that the draft class is weaker than in years past. But it may be a little early to judge. We don't know who's in or out, and sometimes things change after the tournament, workouts, NBA combine, etc. But as of right now, teams are pretty down on it. There is no sure fire superstar in the draft and a lot of skepticism about most of the prospects. Seems like we have super productive players with little upside and big upside players with spotty production.

Doug (Utah)


Is anyone else worried that Derrick Williams' production comes from being the main option and getting superstar calls? Neither of those things will happen in the NBA ever for him.

Chad Ford (1:52 PM)


Sure. But he's also been the most efficient college player in a major conference this season. So he's getting lots of touches, but he's effective with those touches. That's the appeal. People are more concerned that he's a tweener without a true position in the league.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Was thinking about the draft and who we should get, and starting to think the Jazz should go after Perry Jones. I know a lot of people on this board are souring on him, but wow a true wing at 6ft.11 235 lb. imagine the mismatches he would create too big for most sf's too quick for pf's. Just think of him along side Jefferson and Favors might help the rebounding. The Jazz might be the imposing looking team for a change.

Pg. Harris
Sg. Hayward
Sf. Jones
Pf. Favors
C. Jefferson

Don't know what kind of defender Jones is but, C through sg we would be 6-9 and taller.

If we are going to compete we need more length.

 

[Zerol]

Perry Jones, from what I saw and what I read, is a power forward.