Joe Bagadonuts
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Why doesn't it?
What Happened to Katie?
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JimLes
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Because it's utterly irrelevant whether something happened in the past or not. It's happening now. Or should we discount any new condition or illness because it didn't use to be an issue before?
I mean, what the hell is this PTSD thing, anyway? My grandmother's cousin spent WW2 fighting as a guerrilla in Yugoslavia against the Germans. Captured by them. Interrogated by Gestapo. Fingernails pulled with pliers. Both arms broken. Cigarettes put out on his face. Never told them a thing. Jumped out of a third story window of the building he was held in the night before his execution. Broke the glass with his forehead because his arms were broken. Broke a couple of more things landing. Was taken to a friendly village and tended to, and was inciting peasants to rebellion again within a few months. Blew up train tracks with 2 other comrades at one point, only to chance upon a German guard in the forest while going back. Managed to jump on him and land knees first on the guy's chest so he couldn't scream to let other nearby guards know. Realizing that he had to kill him but couldn't do it with a gun because a gunshot would also alert the Germans. He had some bread in his backpack and a knife to cut it with. Took the bread the knife out and slit the guy's throat. Wiped off the knife and used it to cut bread again like nothing happened. He was a bank teller before the war, by the way. Law student, but kicked out for being a member of the illegal Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Son of a middle-class shop owner. His whole family minus a sister and a couple of cousins killed in the Holocaust. Did he have PTSD after the war? **** no! Happily talked about the struggle and how it was an honour to be a part of it. Showed people the knife when they came over. Compared to him, all these vets struggling with depression are little b*tches, aren't they? Why can't they just be like my great-uncle and his wartime comrades?
Because maybe he wants to learn more about the history of it or genuinely interested in others opinions.
Slow your roll.
If I had to guess I'd say it has always been a thing but it was probably a death sentence, or extremely socially ostracizing, for a very long time and only now have some modern societies gotten to a place where its coming out into the open.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Your grandmother's cousin was a stud. I wish he could have a conversation with some of these wimps today who are trying to dream up something to be afflicted with.
I am pleased to see that the board has come so far on this issue over what is really just a few years.
It's easy to forget now but the sentiment against Katie was very strong for a long period of time, mostly on the basis of "shut up about it already" for someone that was clearly going through some stuff. There was a brief moment when I was so upset over the issue that I turned in my moderator resignation. [MENTION=1]Jason[/MENTION] and [MENTION=14]colton[/MENTION] stepped up to the plate and took affirmative steps to make it better and I stayed on for something like six more years.
Everyone has a long way to go, but there's legitimate reason to suspect that if the tide has turned this dramatically on a Utah sports based message board then this will move closer and closer to becoming a non-issue over the next ten years.
It's easy to forget now but the sentiment against Katie was very strong for a long period of time, mostly on the basis of "shut up about it already" for someone that was clearly going through some stuff. There was a brief moment when I was so upset over the issue that I turned in my moderator resignation. [MENTION=1]Jason[/MENTION] and [MENTION=14]colton[/MENTION] stepped up to the plate and took affirmative steps to make it better and I stayed on for something like six more years.
Everyone has a long way to go, but there's legitimate reason to suspect that if the tide has turned this dramatically on a Utah sports based message board then this will move closer and closer to becoming a non-issue over the next ten years.
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You make a good point. And I agree that society today is too thin skinned and weak.
A condition or illness that needs to be cured? Society has come a long long ways.
JimLes
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But that's ultimately a good thing. It means our lives are not as crappy as they were in the past.
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I think in general it will be. But as with any issue there will be those that refuse to move on the issue.
JimLes
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He was a product of his circumstances and his time. A tough man in tough times. I certainly don't wish for them to come back.
Why is not any body addressing the fact that this is a psychological condition in need of help? It is all oh feel bad feel bad for the depressed poor soul with trauma issues. Yeah I get that yet why are we not addressing the deeper issue as a community to lend help?
I'm not convinced that it is a psychological issue. I do not remember the day that I picked my sexual orientation or my gender identity. I was told that I was supposed to like boys and that I was a girl, and I felt those things were true. No conflict for me.
But what if the things you are being told do not feel right to you? If gender identity only occurred in adults, I might consider that their life experiences may have colored their self-perception. But there have been so many really young children that insist that they are not the gender they are told they are (and never vary from it) that I do not believe that it is psychological. Perhaps it is for some, but I would be hesitant to make that determination about anyone.
JimLes
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Electroshock therapy? That ought to set them straight.
I am not 100% either. I am 100% certain the American Psychological Association is 49/51 split on this issue. Your situation sounds difficult. You are discussing the straight gay spectrum not the the transgender condition. Straight or gay is a spectrum.
Oh good a nother anti-LDS poster in jazzland. Yes we tried that in the 1960s. Dude for a guy claiming tolerance and historical context this is a low blow. Want to make a polygamy joke next?
JimLes
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Yes, that's totally what I was going for. Not making a reference to the well known fact that the general medical field treated all kinds of stuff with electroshock therapy. No, I'm instead taking a dig at some obscure part of Mormon history. Because as a heathen who does not know a single Mormon, I am super familiar with minutiae of Mormon history.
U claim to not to know yet your quick response acknowledging the history indicted u. Now get back on point about the fact it might well be a serious psychological disorder that your medical field fails to recognize for legal repercussion reasons.
Electroshock therapy is used today and it can be amazingly effective in treating extreme depression.
Joe Bagadonuts
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So if times get better it's a requirement that we turn into a bunch of pansies? God help us all if times get any better because people seem to be losing their minds as it is. (Not saying there is a God, BTW, so don't get your undies in a bunch over that, ya pansies.)
JimLes
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Well, yes. Get with the times, as they say. My life is infinitely better than that of my grandparents or great-grandparents, and as a result, I don't need to be as "tough" as them. Actually, it'd be stupid for me to be as tough as them. I don't work through severe cuts or let them get infected. I see a doctor. I don't walk for 2 days to testify in a minor trial like my great-grandma did because I have a car. I haven't fought in a war because my parents made the awesome choice to move to Canada. Surely these are all good things.
My ancestors weren't tough for toughness sake. They were tough because they had to be. My grandfather was born a subsistence farmer's son. He didn't own a pair of shoes until he was 14 or 15. He got married at 19 and was drafted into a German satellite army by the time he was 20. Before he would've been old enough to drink in current USA, he had deserted that army to go join a rag-tag bunch of rebels in the forest. He went to law school at 36. His life became infinitely better and easier. And yes, he became less tough. I remember him as an old man watching cartoons with me and teaching me how to do crossword puzzles. He was no Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, but I don't think he felt bad about becoming "a pansy."