Following 2016 potential draftees

[mellow]

Blossomgame out, there might not be anyone left for the Jazz to draft at 52 or 60.

 

[spycam1]

If you believe in the conspiracy that Locke gives up the pick by hyping the player to no end before the draft(like he did with Gobert and with Lyles last year), Valentine probably won't be our pick. He said some nice things about him offensively, but was pretty brutal about his defense. I don't think he 'likes' him anywhere near as much as he did Lyles.

Is there someone Locke has been pimping?

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[stitches]

Is there someone Locke has been pimping?

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Early impressions - Dejounte Murray from Washington (he's been saying he loves his physical attributes, he's been mentioning him in almost every podcast):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXuDwVJ2PSE

I think he might be his guy this year. For a player off-the-radar for most Jazz fans and most mock drafts(in the Jazz range), Locke sure is paying disproportionate amount of attention to him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Is there someone Locke has been pimping?

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Not really... has mentioned trade route with Indiana and George Hill a lot.

Also mentioned we should/could "shoot the moon" and go for high upside dudes.

 

[Miggs]

Not really... has mentioned trade route with Indiana and George Hill a lot.

Also mentioned we should/could "shoot the moon" and go for high upside dudes.

Ugh. How do we feel about a George Hill acquisition?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ugh. How do we feel about a George Hill acquisition?

I like him as a player... I don't like the veteran rental. It would depend on what we gave up. If it was #12, Burke and cap fodder for Hill & #20... I'd be on board depending on who was still on the draft board. I doubt Indiana does that deal though, but Bird's recent GMing hasn't been great.

 

[NCJazz]

I like him as a player... I don't like the veteran rental. It would depend on what we gave up. If it was #12, Burke and cap fodder for Hill & #20... I'd be on board depending on who was still on the draft board. I doubt Indiana does that deal though, but Bird's recent GMing hasn't been great.

Nando De Colo would not cost any draft picks or players. Just need to outbid everyone.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Ugh. How do we feel about a George Hill acquisition?

I would rather have his younger, and much improved version. I like Hill though. Steady player.

 

[NAOS]

goddamn, lately there's been no need for me to participate in any thread with HH. It would be redundant.

 

[stitches]

After listening to Perrin and Maker after today's workout I'm even more OK with us drafting him at 12.

 

[orangello]

After listening to Perrin and Maker after today's workout I'm even more OK with us drafting him at 12.

Please post links. I have no idea what you're referring to and I'm too busy with work to be able to find it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

After listening to Perrin and Maker after today's workout I'm even more OK with us drafting him at 12.

I'm trying to see the major knocks on him...

He's unproven like a HS one and done guy used to be... He needs to add strength.

He's got elite size. Is an elite athlete for his size... or at least a decent athlete. He's smart and seems like a hard worker. He has some skill as far as shooting goes.

If I was swinging for the fences I'd take a gamble there.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Please post links. I have no idea what you're referring to and I'm too busy with work to be able to find it.

He did in the draft workouts thread.

 

[stitches]

Please post links. I have no idea what you're referring to and I'm too busy with work to be able to find it.

Some people are having trouble with the 1280thezone links... here are other links:

Here's Maker's interview on the Jazz site:
https://www.nba.com/jazz/video/2016/05/25/1464206950406-maker_5.25.16.mov-546081/

Demetrius Jackson:
https://www.nba.com/jazz/video/teams/jazz/2016/05/25/1464206938491-jackson_5.25.16.mov-546079

Marcus Paige:
https://www.nba.com/jazz/video/teams/jazz/2016/05/25/1464206932089-paige_5.25.16.mov-546075

And here's Perrin's interview:
https://espn700sports.com/interviews/walt-perrin-utah-jazz-pre-draft-workouts-5-25-16/

Some highlights from Walt Perrin:

About Maker:
-him and Paige did really well going through the workout having in mind they had a workout yesterday in New York for 25 teams.
-his body might need 2-3 years before he's ready, but Perrin said he can see a coach give him minutes because of his shooting/faceup game.
-he watched him play 2 years ago, he's gotten bigger, smarter and his shot is better than back then(IMO, all good signs that he's working and improving his game)
-offensively he's likely going to be a faceup player, rather than post up(because of body type), defensively he might have hard time with strong bigs, but he will probably be able to guard players on the perimeter - quick for his size and long.
-he's a very good athlete from baseline to baseline, average to above average athlete vertically(that's interesting because his testing suggest his vertical athleticism is elite)
-good rebounder(good numbers for his age group)
-about basketball IQ - he's a very smart player, picked up things easily, willing to learn. Probably didn't have great coaching so far. The learning curve might be really quick in terms of picking up things.

About Demetrius Jackson:
-good, strong, able to get to the basket, shot it well during drills, above average 3p shooting
-has a way to go defensively... "he's so strong though".

Marcus Paige:
-smart basketball player
-can play PG

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Early impressions - Dejounte Murray from Washington (he's been saying he loves his physical attributes, he's been mentioning him in almost every podcast):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXuDwVJ2PSE

I think he might be his guy this year. For a player off-the-radar for most Jazz fans and most mock drafts(in the Jazz range), Locke sure is paying disproportionate amount of attention to him.

I just think Locke hasnt really started doing his "scouting" yet. He is Pac-12 focused, being as Stanford fan, so it makes sense he talks about Murray a lot.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ugh. How do we feel about a George Hill acquisition?

Better than drafting Baldwin.

 

[Deleted member 848]

if we love Thon then trade down and lets swipe BEMBZ too pls

 

[mellow]

Early impressions - Dejounte Murray from Washington (he's been saying he loves his physical attributes, he's been mentioning him in almost every podcast):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXuDwVJ2PSE

I think he might be his guy this year. For a player off-the-radar for most Jazz fans and most mock drafts(in the Jazz range), Locke sure is paying disproportionate amount of attention to him.

I watched one Washington game on TV this season, Murray immediately stood out as the best player from both teams ( i think they were playing Arizona). Anyway when I saw the Mocks and they had Chriss listed higher than Murray I was confused because I didn't even notice Chriss in the game.

 

[mellow]

if we love Thon then trade down and lets swipe BEMBZ too pls

Thon's hips make me nervous.


Perrin seemed to go out of his way to talk about Marcus Paige, said he was a pg before he went to UNC, and is a natural leader.

 

[zyzz]

Probably gonna get ridiculed for this, but screw it and maybe someone can change my view. Jamal Murray gives me Trey Burke vibes. Taller, slightly longer, (probably) better shooting Trey Burke.

In college they both had...

- Great scoring instincts, whether in the pick and roll, shooting off the dribble or catch and shoot, and getting into the lane. However, they both relied on herky-jerky hesitation moves because of their lack of elite burst and athleticism so I wonder if he can create at the NBA level. Murray shot a lot of floaters in the NCAA that I don't think he will be able to get off in the NBA. Murray shot 59% at the rim (28% assisted) in college (source: Draftexpress) and took 20.4% of his shots at the rim (source: Hoopmath). Per Hoopmath Trey Burke shot 24% of his shots (17% assisted) at the rim converting on 63% of his attempts. Trey only shot 52% at the rim in the half-court and didn't have as good of a floater game or as good of a left-hand as Murray. Both would resort to tough floaters if they couldn't get to the rim.

- Both had very deep range in college. Murray was a better shooter, but Trey was certainly no slouch either: 44% off the catch, 42% off the bounce per Draftexpress.

- Trey actually seemed better creating separation in college with stepbacks and a tighter handle. Murray has kind of a low and slow-ish release, so I wonder if he can get his shot off against long and athletic NBA wings.

- On defense they both try hard, but they are limited by their size and athleticism. Trey and Jamal both get crushed by screens and have trouble navigating around them. They both really struggled with keeping faster guards from driving to the basket.

- They both go into hero-ball chucker mode sometimes. Both took a lot of tough jumpers early in the shotclock.

- If the jumper isn't falling can he have an impact on the court? Murray doesn't have the PG skills Burke had in college, so he will have to develop a combo-guard game. 28% of Murray's shots were 2 point jumpers and 51.5% of his shots were 3 point jumpers.

- Murray might have over-bearing parents which could be good for support or could be like Benji and Rhonda. Murray's dad pretty much groomed him to be the perfect bball player since he was 3 months old. His dad handled all of his recruiting stuff and the decision of whether or not to reclassify recruiting classes for him. “He took care of everything,” Murray said. “He talked to all the coaches, talked to all the staff members of each team. He really took care of everything so I didn’t have to worry about that." Here's an article and you can decide for yourselves if his dad is crazy or not.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rfect-point-guard-meet-kentuckys-jamal-murray

- They both have "intangibles" as a strength which I think is a really hit or miss thing to translate to the NBA.