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I really want one of Luwawu or Korkmaz, in that order but then I also want Maker to go with those.

Don't think I will be too happy about the draft. There are only a few prospects I really like.
 
Interesting note on Taurean Prince....

Prince played at Baylor where Dennis Lindsey's son was a Freshman. He will have a unique perspective on Prince.
 
King Cy said:
Interesting note on Taurean Prince....

Prince played at Baylor where Dennis Lindsey's son was a Freshman. He will have a unique perspective on Prince.
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This is very fascinating to me. I wonder if Prince knew who Lindsey was from early on (he'd have to, no?) and was on his best behavior all season because of it.
 
Maker seems too slim to play the 5. He'd have to play the 4 until he can add 20 - 25 lbs. He's raw offensively. I think his offensive development may end up being a process like Derrick Favors. He's pretty raw right now. However, if you want him, I think you have to take him at 12. Someone could trade up to take him at the end of the lottery.

I'd be interested to see how people rank the 8 - 10 bigs in the first round of this draft. I'd generally rank them like this ---

1 Simmons
2 Chriss
3 Poeltl
4 Ellenson
5 Bender
6 Davis
7 Sabonis
8 Labissiere
9 Maker
 
zyzz said:
Probably gonna get ridiculed for this, but screw it and maybe someone can change my view. Jamal Murray gives me Trey Burke vibes. Taller, slightly longer, (probably) better shooting Trey Burke.

In college they both had...

- Great scoring instincts, whether in the pick and roll, shooting off the dribble or catch and shoot, and getting into the lane. However, they both relied on herky-jerky hesitation moves because of their lack of elite burst and athleticism so I wonder if he can create at the NBA level. Murray shot a lot of floaters in the NCAA that I don't think he will be able to get off in the NBA. Murray shot 59% at the rim (28% assisted) in college (source: Draftexpress) and took 20.4% of his shots at the rim (source: Hoopmath). Per Hoopmath Trey Burke shot 24% of his shots (17% assisted) at the rim converting on 63% of his attempts. Trey only shot 52% at the rim in the half-court and didn't have as good of a floater game or as good of a left-hand as Murray. Both would resort to tough floaters if they couldn't get to the rim.

- Both had very deep range in college. Murray was a better shooter, but Trey was certainly no slouch either: 44% off the catch, 42% off the bounce per Draftexpress.

- Trey actually seemed better creating separation in college with stepbacks and a tighter handle. Murray has kind of a low and slow-ish release, so I wonder if he can get his shot off against long and athletic NBA wings.

- On defense they both try hard, but they are limited by their size and athleticism. Trey and Jamal both get crushed by screens and have trouble navigating around them. They both really struggled with keeping faster guards from driving to the basket.

- They both go into hero-ball chucker mode sometimes. Both took a lot of tough jumpers early in the shotclock.

- If the jumper isn't falling can he have an impact on the court? Murray doesn't have the PG skills Burke had in college, so he will have to develop a combo-guard game. 28% of Murray's shots were 2 point jumpers and 51.5% of his shots were 3 point jumpers.

- Murray might have over-bearing parents which could be good for support or could be like Benji and Rhonda. Murray's dad pretty much groomed him to be the perfect bball player since he was 3 months old. His dad handled all of his recruiting stuff and the decision of whether or not to reclassify recruiting classes for him. “He took care of everything,” Murray said. “He talked to all the coaches, talked to all the staff members of each team. He really took care of everything so I didn’t have to worry about that." Here's an article and you can decide for yourselves if his dad is crazy or not.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rfect-point-guard-meet-kentuckys-jamal-murray

- They both have "intangibles" as a strength which I think is a really hit or miss thing to translate to the NBA.
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If Trey were 6'4"/6'5" I think he'd be a different player.
 
Catchall said:
Maker seems too slim to play the 5. He'd have to play the 4 until he can add 20 - 25 lbs. He's raw offensively. I think his offensive development may end up being a process like Derrick Favors. He's pretty raw right now. However, if you want him, I think you have to take him at 12. Someone could trade up to take him at the end of the lottery.

I'd be interested to see how people rank the 8 - 10 bigs in the first round of this draft. I'd generally rank them like this ---

1 Simmons
2 Chriss
3 Poeltl
4 Ellenson
5 Bender
6 Davis
7 Sabonis
8 Labissiere
9 Maker
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Simmons
Chriss
Zizic
Poeltl
Maker
Johnson
Ellenson
Sabonis
Bender
Zubac
 
Catchall said:
Maker seems too slim to play the 5. He'd have to play the 4 until he can add 20 - 25 lbs. He's raw offensively. I think his offensive development may end up being a process like Derrick Favors. He's pretty raw right now. However, if you want him, I think you have to take him at 12. Someone could trade up to take him at the end of the lottery.

I'd be interested to see how people rank the 8 - 10 bigs in the first round of this draft. I'd generally rank them like this ---

1 Simmons
2 Chriss
3 Poeltl
4 Ellenson
5 Bender
6 Davis
7 Sabonis
8 Labissiere
9 Maker
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Damian Jones is a better prospect than Sabonis, Labissiere, and Maker.
 
Catchall said:
Maker seems too slim to play the 5. He'd have to play the 4 until he can add 20 - 25 lbs. He's raw offensively. I think his offensive development may end up being a process like Derrick Favors. He's pretty raw right now. However, if you want him, I think you have to take him at 12. Someone could trade up to take him at the end of the lottery.

I'd be interested to see how people rank the 8 - 10 bigs in the first round of this draft. I'd generally rank them like this ---

1 Simmons
2 Chriss
3 Poeltl
4 Ellenson
5 Bender
6 Davis
7 Sabonis
8 Labissiere
9 Maker
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1. Ben Simmons
2. Skal Labissiere
3. Dragan Bender
4. Thon Maker
5. Marquese Chriss
6. Jokob Poeltl
7. Deyonta Davis
8. Domantas Sabonis
9. Henry Ellenson
10. Ante Zizic
 
stitches said:
1. Ben Simmons
2. Skal Labissiere
3. Dragan Bender
4. Thon Maker
5. Marquese Chriss
6. Jokob Poeltl
7. Deyonta Davis
8. Domantas Sabonis
9. Henry Ellenson
10. Ante Zizic
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How on Earth could you rate Skal above Bender? That is just ridiculous.
 
King Cy said:
How on Earth could you rate Skal above Bender? That is just ridiculous.
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They are close to me. 2-5 are very close in my books. I just love Skal. Call it irrational love if you will. I think he's getting his body sorted out away from being in the mix for top 3 player in this draft(in the long run). I love almost everything about him - length, athleticism, size, movement, hook shot with both hands, some spin moves in the post, great touch around the rim, great mid-range shot with potential to extend it to 3p range, great rim protection potential, and with some work he might become a great overall defender. His potential is everything you might ever want from a 5 in the league. I'm not saying he will reach it. I think he's the most busty one from pretty much everybody on that list, but I like the high end potential and in a draft that I hate, I'd rather bust on the guy I can see developing into something special than on role players.

One thing that scares me about Skal is - I don't know his work ethic and his personality. I don't know how driven he is to improve. If that's a true problem for him, he would plummet with tremendous force down my rankings, because most of the things I see in him being special depend on him working his butt off to improve. If he doesn't have it in him, he will fail. As simple as that.
 
stitches said:
1. Ben Simmons
2. Skal Labissiere
3. Dragan Bender
4. Thon Maker
5. Marquese Chriss
6. Jokob Poeltl
7. Deyonta Davis
8. Domantas Sabonis
9. Henry Ellenson
10. Ante Zizic
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Good list. I like that it's not even remotely the same as everyone else's.

01. Ben Simmons
02. Dragan Bender
03. Jakob Poeltl
04. Marquese Chriss
05. Henry Ellenson
06. Ante Zizic
07. Skal Labissiere
08. Deyonta Davis
09. Thon Maker
10. Diamond Stone
11. Domantas Sabonis

And to be perfectly honest. . . I'd be pretty damn happy with any one of them.
 
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Crocodile Dante said:
I am pulling the maker train out of the station. Who's on board?

I am completely open to trading down to get him. I like the idea of 15 and 19.
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I'm on the maker train.
 
Catchall said:
Maker seems too slim to play the 5. He'd have to play the 4 until he can add 20 - 25 lbs. He's raw offensively. I think his offensive development may end up being a process like Derrick Favors. He's pretty raw right now. However, if you want him, I think you have to take him at 12. Someone could trade up to take him at the end of the lottery.

I'd be interested to see how people rank the 8 - 10 bigs in the first round of this draft. I'd generally rank them like this ---

1 Simmons
2 Chriss
3 Poeltl
4 Ellenson
5 Bender
6 Davis
7 Sabonis
8 Labissiere
9 Maker
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I have heard very little about Davis in this thread
 
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stitches said:
1. Ben Simmons
2. Skal Labissiere
3. Dragan Bender
4. Thon Maker
5. Marquese Chriss
6. Jokob Poeltl
7. Deyonta Davis
8. Domantas Sabonis
9. Henry Ellenson
10. Ante Zizic
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Maker ahead of chriss. Bold
 
stitches said:
I love almost everything about him - length, athleticism, size, movement, hook shot with both hands, some spin moves in the post, great touch around the rim, great mid-range shot with potential to extend it to 3p range, great rim protection potential,
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Good post.
From what I saw in the highlight video I can't really argue against anything in the quoted part of your post. Pretty good skillset
 
Ellis269 said:
Good list. I like that it's not even remotely the same as everyone else's.

01. Ben Simmons
02. Dragan Bender
03. Jakob Poeltl
04. Marquese Chriss
05. Henry Ellenson
06. Ante Zizic
07. Skal Labissirie
08. Deyonta Davis
09. Thon Maker
10. Diamond Stone
11. Domantas Sabonis

And to be perfectly honest. . . I'd be pretty damn happy with any one of them.
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This top 7 seems to be the most accurate to how I'm seeing it. I think your top 7 is the best yet.
 
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