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Can the Trumpster fire come back from this?

I wasn't a big fan of Clinton while he was in office, but in hindsight... not so bad. A walk in the park compared to his successors.

If he were running as a third option, I'd seriously consider him.

He's a bit of a dog, but comparing him to Trump is apples and watermelons (I know you weren't the one who made that comparison, [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION]).

Trump is bad, very bad, at being a respectable human being. While being a raging sexist and racist isn't a crime (yet) it's not what makes a good leader for such a diverse country. Trump is divisive, and we need unity more than anything else. A leader that nobody trusts is useless as a leader.

For the record, Hillary is also impossible to trust.


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I pretty strongly maintain that anybody who seriously looks into the Clinton Presidency (especially using the clarity of hindsight) will mostly likely conclude that it was a bloody disaster.

It's a sign of our political corruption (societally speaking) that we sharply contrast Reagan and Clinton. They are two peas in a pod right there.
 
No he didn't. He said he apologized "if you were offended" which is completely different than apologizing for one's actions.

No, he made the apology even more effective by targeting it to those who were offended by his words and actions, thereby establishing a more efficient apology. Why spread out an apology over people who were not offended? Those people don't need an apology. Clearly.
 
No, he made the apology even more effective by targeting it to those who were offended by his words and actions, thereby establishing a more efficient apology. Why spread out an apology over people who were not offended? Those people don't need an apology. Clearly.

No, it shifts blame to people for taking offense and suggests that only certain people would be offended while others would find remarks about sexual assault from a presidential candidate perfectly acceptable.
 
Not sure if serious. But supposing you are, then I reply...

Uh, no. I've never talked about molesting women, regardless of whether or not I was hanging out with a group of guys.

This. There is a big difference between talking about a woman's attractiveness and/or how you'd like to sleep with her and talking about how consent isn't really something you care about.
 
No he didn't. He said he apologized "if you were offended" which is completely different than apologizing for one's actions.

That's true, but then he actually apologized, about 10 hours later. Except he then launched into the Clinton's married life and went into attack mode, not the brightest response.
 
It's seems that prominent Mormons are particularly hitting Trump hard.

Lee, Herbert, Huntsman, Hatch, Chafetz and Crapo (ID) have all blasted him.
 
Maybe partly in the wake of these latest revelations via a 2005 tape, the Jill Harth allegations are receiving new play and likely increased credibility:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html?_r=0

Jill Harth interview from July, 2016:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...xual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview

OK, see now all the allegations are gonna come out. If this occupies the airwaves over the next couple weeks I think Trump is done for.
 
I missed that, then. I'll have to see what else he said.

I just heard that he continues to mull over a possible speech Saturday night that would address the issue. There seems to be a developing crescendo trending toward Trump should step down. He says never. I've never seen anything like it. 30 days to go. I would love to know who the source is for the tape. Just an amazing turn of events.
 
OK, see now all the allegations are gonna come out. If this occupies the airwaves over the next couple weeks I think Trump is done for.

What do you mean NOW? Look at the dates on those.

ETA: Sorry, one of those is a recent reporting on a months long issue, but I've personally known about it since July.
 
What do you mean NOW? Look at the dates on those.

ETA: Sorry, one of those is a recent reporting on a months long issue, but I've personally known about it since July.

Well I guess I should have said that this has 're-ignited' the allegations and have given credence to them.
 
No, it shifts blame to people for taking offense and suggests that only certain people would be offended while others would find remarks about sexual assault from a presidential candidate perfectly acceptable.

Omg, really?

That's just your opinion anyway. We can't know the true mind!
 
It's seems that prominent Mormons are particularly hitting Trump hard.

Lee, Herbert, Huntsman, Hatch, Chafetz and Crapo (ID) have all blasted him.

There's a Crapo from Idaho that's a politician? Wonder if he's from the big potato family of Crapo's.
 
I think Trump has been vilified in this whole grabbing thing. There is very little evidence for his misogyny. Look at the relationship he has with his daughter. She has no problem giving this respecter of women a big kiss.

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I think Trump has been vilified in this whole grabbing thing. There is very little evidence for his misogyny. Look at the relationship he has with his daughter. She has no problem giving this respecter of women a big kiss.

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Whoa!
 
I think Trump has been vilified in this whole grabbing thing. There is very little evidence for his misogyny. Look at the relationship he has with his daughter. She has no problem giving this respecter of women a big kiss.

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It looked bad from that angle, but from another angle you can tell thats not how it went down at all. If anything his daughter was going in for some love and Trump wasnt paying attention. They arent as clse to each other as it looks from that angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooShpws3Dik

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