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Fesenko +7 rest of team -

Not only did Fes start at C, but Millsap started at SF. Only saw less than half the game on the internet.
I've advocated starting Fes every game thru the end of the season just to see if that helps get his head straight about taking his job (which is NBA basketball!) seriously like most of the workers out there... If he flubs it, I wouldn't resign him next year; and I'd explain this to him up front too...
My impression is the Jazz don't want to start Favors, so we may see more of this lineup; dunno...
 
Mr. McGibblets said:
Lol no. I was responding to the post asking:

So no, I was not trying to say he has not been available to start the entire year. Come on man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNIN6uB8McU





Again, you misunderstand and mis-characterize another person's posts. Moe never said he was jackpotting (goofing around) and thus didn't get playing time. He said he was ineffective "because of illness or related reasons." Goofing around is not related to illness.

If you want evidence then go read back through the twitter pages for @tribjazz, @djjazzjody, @utah_jazz, @jonrinehart and others. They often list why Fes will not play or come out a day later and state why he was inactive. I've also heard coaches and KOC say that they want to get Fes out there more except he is often recovering from something. Locke also has stated that "the Jazz" (management, coaches, players? I don't know for sure) have been frustrated at times because when opportunities arise for Fes (Jefferson, Millsap, Elson, etc. are out) that Fes is unable to play and they can't rely on him.

So no, the onus is on you to go get some info showing that the coaches just decide not to play Fes.

I like Fes, probably not as much as sirkicky, but I like him. I just get sick of everyone claiming a giant conspiracy. Do I think the only reason Fes sits out is because of illness, no. But I do think that plays a huge part in why he isn't in game shape, fouls, and can't get more than a few minutes.
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I don't need those to know what I can see with my own eyes. Yes, I know he has these little health things that come up too often and that is a valid issue. But it is also quite true that I seem him suited up and on the bench yet he does not get in the game or only at garbage time. How many games this year has he gotten minutes that were meaningful? Very very few. Despite being productive when he gets those minutes.
 
It's easy to think of Fess and laugh, but he's been improving. Last night I saw what few others did and thats play physical. He understood his role. He knows he has fouls to give and he knows he can make the Lakers feel the pain. Any player that can knee Kobe, throw a ball at him, and knock him on his *** and preventing him from getting an easy lay in or an and-one is alright on this team in my book. We've needed toughness and I'd love to see more Fess on the court in the remaining games.
 
I'm not going to be bent out of shape when Fes doesn't return (which is what I expect), but if I were running the team I'd set myself a maximum price for his services and then bargain like hell to get him signed for that amount. Centers with his size are just too rare. I think if he got 10-15 regular minutes per night, then he'd be a much improved player and teammate. Looking at the depth of this team... well... I can't imagine that there aren't that many for him if he is keeping up with the coaches expectations. Speaking of which, if we add a true Big-Man Coach, I wonder what that would do to his game.

In the discussions surrounding the Millsap as SF issue, has anybody pondered Favors's ability to guard the 3 for 6-8 minutes a night? That'd make getting Fes a few regular minutes that much easier.

In short, I'd try to sign him for a year, maybe two, in order to see how he'd perform under Ty's regime.
 
Guys like Fes will break your heart year after year. All that size, somewhat talented; but only flashes of intesity; flashes of heart. Nothing upstairs.

In my eyes he puts Ostertag in perspective - Tag didn't have the size or talent Fes has but he managed put a string of games together good enough to put himself on the map. Fes can't even do that.

I won't be too torn apart if he's not in Utah next year.
 
I have noticed in the past that Fes plays well when he knows he will get minutes. Bynum is a good matchup for fes. Bynum is usually able to just out size whoever guards him. He cant do that to Fes and it got too him. Now Gasol is a hard matchup for fes unless he is really focused on good position defense. Gasol is more cagey and will get fes in foul trouble. Fes also needs to work on his conditioning because he can not play starter minutes and be effective.

The big lineup tonight matched up well against the Lakers defensivly. Artest isnt really fast anymore so Milsap can stay with him. Al has enough size to slow down gasol and fes checked bynum. CJ and kobe is a bit of a missmatch usually but less so tonight. Fisher and watson are also a wash.

Now when it comes to the second string the jazz may have more raw talent, but it is raw. The jazz also got in trouble when evens going against lamar. He just was not big enough.
 
The funny thing is, the people that want Fes to play more are probably the same people that clamored for C.J. Miles to play more minutes three years ago after he had one good game and now deride him for having one good game in five. Difference here is that Fesenko will occasionally give you one good half and people are crowing about more minutes.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
The funny thing is, the people that want Fes to play more are probably the same people that clamored for C.J. Miles to play more minutes three years ago after he had one good game and now deride him for having one good game in five. Difference here is that Fesenko will occasionally give you one good half and people are crowing about more minutes.
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It's really not the same thing. We're about to see Fes walk after NEVER seeing him get a rotation role. The explanation is immaturity. I'm sure that's true to some extent. But I also wonder if he was just permanently in Jerry's doghouse. Whatever the case, we needed a backup 5 this whole year and never gave him the job to see what we had in him.
 
Immaturity. Propensity to foul. Lack of effort. No offensive game. Piss poor rebounder for his size. Injury prone. Many, many, MANY reasons not to play the guy.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Immaturity. Propensity to foul. Lack of effort. No offensive game. Piss poor rebounder for his size. Injury prone. Many, many, MANY reasons not to play the guy.
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I might agree with you if I ever saw him play 25 games in a row with regular minutes. I don't think he's ever played 5 games in a row.

But I'd like to rant a little bit about immaturity. This is not an excuse, but young players are kids. Most of them came from dirt and become millionaires overnight. All NBA teams know this. In the case of a high draft pick, like Cousins, teams bend over backward trying to develop maturity while developing the player. (Not remotely comparing Cousins to Fes.)

But talented players have to play. If they prove to be too immature, they stop playing. This is where the argument divides. To my mind, Fes is talented. So I don't really buy the argument that he's SO immature he couldn't have been given a rotation job. I'd rather deal with the immaturity issues separately, and get him on the court to actually see what he is. When and if he leaves, we will not be able to say we really knew what he could do on a court with regular minutes.
 
December 30-January 7. 5 games played. All over 10 MP.

Lines (points, boards, blocks):

7-6-1
5-1-1
3-4-0
3-1-0
4-0-0


Averages 14.5 MP

4.5 PPG, 2.5 RPG, .5 BPG

When dude gets run, he consistently proves he isn't good NBA quality over and over. He has consistently proven he's a spot player who can be somewhat effective in certain matchups. And that's exactly how the coaching staff uses him.

Hell, he's hit the average player "gamer score" once.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
December 30-January 7. 5 games played. All over 10 MP.

Lines (points, boards, blocks):

7-6-1
5-1-1
3-4-0
3-1-0
4-0-0


Averages 14.5 MP

4.5 PPG, 2.5 RPG, .5 BPG

When dude gets run, he consistently proves he isn't good NBA quality over and over. He has consistently proven he's a spot player who can be somewhat effective in certain matchups. And that's exactly how the coaching staff uses him.

Hell, he's hit the average player "gamer score" once.
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A 5 game sample? Cmon, you're better than that. That's my whole point. The idea should have been to give Fes the backup 5 role with journeyman Elson coming in once he reasonably failed. 5 games is not failure. Right or wrong, Jerry had an issue with the kid.
 
billyshelby said:
A 5 game sample? Cmon, you're better than that. That's my whole point. The idea should have been to give Fes the backup 5 role with journeyman Elson coming in once he reasonably failed. 5 games is not failure. Right or wrong, Jerry had an issue with the kid.
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You look at ANY game he gets 10+ minutes, you're going to find the same pattern of box scores. You can't possibly believe that his box score would somehow be better if these 10+ MP games were connected over 25 games.

Why don't I post all his lines with over 10 minutes played. Why would it matter if those games were consecutive or not?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
You look at ANY game he gets 10+ minutes, you're going to find the same pattern of box scores. You can't possibly believe that his box score would somehow be better if these 10+ MP games were connected over 25 games.

Why don't I post all his lines with over 10 minutes played. Why would it matter if those games were consecutive or not?
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It would matter because I'm guessing half the games he played in over 10 minutes we got blown out and he got garbage minutes. It doesn't really matter because our arguments are different. You're basically saying the reason Fes didn't get a rotation job is because he sucked. I'm saying he didn't suck enough not to get a rotation job when the only guy blocking him was Elson. Elson should have been the backup plan to Fes getting consistent minutes.
 
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