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I thought you liked Bill Clinton, and I'm sure Billy Bush has plenty of newsfeed on him too. Gotta be worth some bucks, ya know.

Ok let's get something straight here, having a consensual relationship with someone is a little different than having someone walk into your dressing room as you're changing or coming up to you and grabbing you. Right?

Secondly, so are you admitting that the whole Clinton and lewinksy thing was just a clown act? Or are you admitting that Donald Dump needs to be put to trial which may result in his impeachment if found guilty of perjury?

I'm just trying to figure out how the party of family values keeps touting their moral superiority when they focus on marriage and non gay marriage cuz morals and stuff yet continuously empower serial cheaters (like newt) and sexual predators (like Dump). Help me out.
 
Ok let's get something straight here, having a consensual relationship with someone is a little different than having someone walk into your dressing room as you're changing or coming up to you and grabbing you. Right?

Secondly, so are you admitting that the whole Clinton and lewinksy thing was just a clown act? Or are you admitting that Donald Dump needs to be put to trial which may result in his impeachment if found guilty of perjury?

I'm just trying to figure out how the party of family values keeps touting their moral superiority when they focus on marriage and non gay marriage cuz morals and stuff yet continuously empower serial cheaters (like newt) and sexual predators (like Dump). Help me out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Yep. Bill was a Saint.
 
Who the hell called him a saint? Can you quote someone in this thread? I'd like to know. Or are you just talking out of your *** again?

You were sure defending him pretty hard. Just go reread any of your truly outa-yer-*** posts.
 
Who says he won me over? Who says I think Obama did a great job?
I said I like the fact that he was classy, well spoken, intelligent, and respectful. That is true. That doesn't mean I liked everything about him.

I know you are an extremist so you probably can't understand how I could like some things about Obama and also not like some things about him.

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In other words you hate Trump for being a honest politician. You love that Obeezy was classy a.k.a. a PROPPER politician.

You praise the fake liar an condemn the truthful.

Think about it esse
 
You were sure defending him pretty hard. Just go reread any of your truly outa-yer-*** posts.

I wasn't defending him. I was attacking Donald Dump. The part of Family values who couldn't crucify Clinton enough continues to ignore their own party's malfeasance. I would just like some consistency here. If cheating, grabbing, touching, etc is wrong then I would like for a conservative on this board to finally take a ****ing stand and call their boy trump out. Be consistent for once.

Reread my posts then come talk to me.
 
In other words you hate Trump for being a honest politician. You love that Obeezy was classy a.k.a. a PROPPER politician.

You praise the fake liar an condemn the truthful.

Think about it esse
Wrong again dummy
 
jobs record for one...

which is highly disputed.

workforce participation rate is extremely low, which means more people sucking of the givernment.
and if jobs are good, why did blue collar Dem state switch to trump. didn't Obama say Clinton was his 3rd term. clearly the workforce has abandoned him.


soo yeah even one of his accomplishment isn't clear-cut!.
 
which is highly disputed.

workforce participation rate is extremely low, which means more people sucking of the givernment.
and if jobs are good, why did blue collar Dem state switch to trump. didn't Obama say Clinton was his 3rd term. clearly the workforce has abandoned him.


soo yeah even one of his accomplishment isn't clear-cut!.

Really? You are going to use the workforce participation nonsense? Do we really need to go over the implications of the baby boom generation retiring?

Tun off the fake Fox News garbage and pull your head out. Get informed

Facts can be pesky things.
 
Really? You are going to use the workforce participation nonsense? Do we really need to go over the implications of the baby boom generation retiring?

Tun off the fake Fox News garbage and pull your head out. Get informed

Facts can be pesky things.

In your case, imo, I think you should consider them "elusive", not "pesky". One needs to have a fact for it to bother you like a "pesky" irritation. If you don't actually have the facts and imagine you do, the facts have eluded you somehow.

I think rich dudes, as in billionaires, particulary newcomers to real money, get seduced by women a lot. I mean women smile at them a lot, and seem to welcome the brash bravado machismo sort of advances, and then tell stories at some rate maybe just a few, but exaggerated. I wasn't there, I don't believe every claimed offense. Case didn't go to court, there are no depositions, hard evidence, and such. Alpha men are often morons around women, no doubt.

Bill Clinton is a serial rapist, and there are court depositions and hard evidence, and he settled the case with some money.
 
In your case, imo, I think you should consider them "elusive", not "pesky". One needs to have a fact for it to bother you like a "pesky" irritation. If you don't actually have the facts and imagine you do, the facts have eluded you somehow.

I think rich dudes, as in billionaires, particulary newcomers to real money, get seduced by women a lot. I mean women smile at them a lot, and seem to welcome the brash bravado machismo sort of advances, and then tell stories at some rate maybe just a few, but exaggerated. I wasn't there, I don't believe every claimed offense. Case didn't go to court, there are no depositions, hard evidence, and such. Alpha men are often morons around women, no doubt.

Bill Clinton is a serial rapist, and there are court depositions and hard evidence, and he settled the case with some money.

Right right serial rapist, has an illegitimate son (is it James Evans of Utah?), and skimmed millions off Haiti relief. I know I know I've heard it all before.

But how does this justify voting for Trump? Why does the party of Christian family values vote for and how defend this *** clown?

It's pretty hilarious how the right continues to deflect criticism of their Steaming pile of Donald Dump by bringing Clinton up. Can't y'all get over Clinton? What's with this fetish? Clinton was several presidents ago, get over it.
 
Really? You are going to use the workforce participation nonsense? Do we really need to go over the implications of the baby boom generation retiring?

Tun off the fake Fox News garbage and pull your head out. Get informed

Facts can be pesky things.



the are more new welfare recipients than new jobs obama created! thats a facts!
 
Or a guy who consistently grabs women, gets away with it because he's a tv star, and then brags about it to Billy Bush? I'm with ya there id support life in prison or the death penalty for such a scumbag.

I just don't know how anyone who respects family values wouldn't be appalled at that type of behavior. Those women assaulted is someone's daughter.

I thought you liked Bill Clinton, and I'm sure Billy Bush has plenty of newsfeed on him too. Gotta be worth some bucks, ya know.

Ok let's get something straight here, having a consensual relationship with someone is a little different than having someone walk into your dressing room as you're changing or coming up to you and grabbing you. Right?

Secondly, so are you admitting that the whole Clinton and lewinksy thing was just a clown act? Or are you admitting that Donald Dump needs to be put to trial which may result in his impeachment if found guilty of perjury?

I'm just trying to figure out how the party of family values keeps touting their moral superiority when they focus on marriage and non gay marriage cuz morals and stuff yet continuously empower serial cheaters (like newt) and sexual predators (like Dump). Help me out.

I wasn't defending him. I was attacking Donald Dump. The part of Family values who couldn't crucify Clinton enough continues to ignore their own party's malfeasance. I would just like some consistency here. If cheating, grabbing, touching, etc is wrong then I would like for a conservative on this board to finally take a ****ing stand and call their boy trump out. Be consistent for once.

Reread my posts then come talk to me.

For the record, Donald trump is a scumbag. But so was Clinton. You trying you downplay Clinton's rape and harassment accusations by choosing to only look at the Lewinsky thing is disingenuous at best, full on hypocritical at worst. Only attacking Trump my ***. You full on defended a known harasser. The women Clinton attacked were someone's daughters too. Your bias is borderline sickening tbh.
 
For the record, Donald trump is a scumbag. But so was Clinton. You trying you downplay Clinton's rape and harassment accusations by choosing to only look at the Lewinsky thing is disingenuous at best, full on hypocritical at worst. Only attacking Trump my ***. You full on defended a known harasser. The women Clinton attacked were someone's daughters too. Your bias is borderline sickening tbh.

Reading these responses are hilarious. You guys are completely missing the point Thriller is making.

People bagged on Clinton for being immoral and saying that is why they wouldn't vote for him. YET, THOSE SAME PEOPLE voted for Trump.

Just own it. You don't give a **** about ethics, as long as your guy wins.

Don't bring up people who voted for Clinton, they are irrelevant to YOUR hypocrisy. Why you stand in front of Republican Jesus, and he asks you why you voted for a disgusting, immoral person like Trump, "Well, gay lefties voted for Clinton!" will not be an acceptable answer.

Why did you guys vote for someone you vowed to never vote for when Bill Clinton was running for president?
 
Wrong again dummy

That is what this is all about.
Obama was a dirtbag but he spoke what you wanted to hear.
Democrats only care about appearances an nothing on substance.
It does not matter when Kennedy killed that girl in Chapaquidic.
It did not matter when Clinton rape trail followed him around.
It only matters when Trump says something crass in a private conversation.
So now he needs to be on trial according to the liberals here cause he claimed to do something. No witnesses or victims or nothing. IMPEACH!
 
Reading these responses are hilarious. You guys are completely missing the point Thriller is making.

People bagged on Clinton for being immoral and saying that is why they wouldn't vote for him. YET, THOSE SAME PEOPLE voted for Trump.

Just own it. You don't give a **** about ethics, as long as your guy wins.

Don't bring up people who voted for Clinton, they are irrelevant to YOUR hypocrisy. Why you stand in front of Republican Jesus, and he asks you why you voted for a disgusting, immoral person like Trump, "Well, gay lefties voted for Clinton!" will not be an acceptable answer.

Why did you guys vote for someone you vowed to never vote for when Bill Clinton was running for president?

It does make being accused of hypocrisy by those people extremely ironic though.


Also as for not getting Thrillers point. That's because unlike you he doesn't have one beyond attack the right. You are coherent and have legit reasons. He just hates.

And I say this as someone who isn't a Trump fan. I don't like his policies, bully tactics, treatment of women...
 
It does make being accused of hypocrisy by those people extremely ironic though.


Also as for not getting Thrillers point. That's because unlike you he doesn't have one beyond attack the right. You are coherent and have legit reasons. He just hates.

And I say this as someone who isn't a Trump fan. I don't like his policies, bully tactics, treatment of women...

Why thank you kind sir.
 
Reading these responses are hilarious. You guys are completely missing the point Thriller is making.

People bagged on Clinton for being immoral and saying that is why they wouldn't vote for him. YET, THOSE SAME PEOPLE voted for Trump.

Just own it. You don't give a **** about ethics, as long as your guy wins.

Don't bring up people who voted for Clinton, they are irrelevant to YOUR hypocrisy. Why you stand in front of Republican Jesus, and he asks you why you voted for a disgusting, immoral person like Trump, "Well, gay lefties voted for Clinton!" will not be an acceptable answer.

Why did you guys vote for someone you vowed to never vote for when Bill Clinton was running for president?

You obviously didn't read my posts so not sure why you quoted it. My guy lost. But the blind love of the Clinton's while trying to vilify Trump is just ridiculous. Bill was every bit the ******* Trump is toward women. There is no denying that. There is no need to dive into the hypocritical waters to go after Trump. He provides enough crap of his own to attack. But to try to defend Bill at the same time as some kind of counterpoint is just stupid.
 
That is what this is all about.
Obama was a dirtbag but he spoke what you wanted to hear.
Democrats only care about appearances an nothing on substance.
It does not matter when Kennedy killed that girl in Chapaquidic.
It did not matter when Clinton rape trail followed him around.
It only matters when Trump says something crass in a private conversation.
So now he needs to be on trial according to the liberals here cause he claimed to do something. No witnesses or victims or nothing. IMPEACH!
Wrong again
 
It does make being accused of hypocrisy by those people extremely ironic though.


Also as for not getting Thrillers point. That's because unlike you he doesn't have one beyond attack the right. You are coherent and have legit reasons. He just hates.

And I say this as someone who isn't a Trump fan. I don't like his policies, bully tactics, treatment of women...

This is the second time in two weeks you've made this claim. The first time, I let slide. But not this time. So let's look at the facts.

In the obamacare thread you claimed that you liked the ideas of tort reform and insurance companies competing across state lines. Popular talking points on am radio and Fox News. But lacking severely in critical thinking. So I then posted asking you why you thought those ideas were so great? I invited you to refute my pts that neither of those ideas addressed the key problems: access to health care and costs. Rather than refute these pts you instantly labeled me a blind partisan.

Now in this thread you call me a hater. The truth is as a president I believe Clinton to be above average. He ran surpluses, the economy hummed along, and he kept us out of major wars. As a husband, sure he was rotten. Yay, so you got me to admit that.

But that's not the point. Conservatives for nearly 3 decades have refused to acknowledge that Clinton was a good president. For those "Family Values" obsessed, their entire judgement of Clinton hinged around his behavior. Want to throw him into prison for 20+ year old allegations women have made against him? Fine.
But the point I was trying To make was that somehow these much more recent allegations made against trump are now ignored. He even admitted to bush that he sexually assaulted women and got away with it because he was a rich tv star. Yet, these pts were ignored by the right who couldn't crucify Clinton enough. They're fine with trash like Gingrich or Trump in power as long as it's "their team winning."

So I honestly don't feel like you're giving me enough credit here. Rather than dispute my pts on health care you label me a hater. A blind partisan. Who does that other than a blind partisan hater? If you disagree with my pts then do so and explain why. Cite an academic. Give me an article to educate and inform.

But stop the personal insults. It's cheap and lazy. You're a mod so what recourse do I have when you insult posters?

Don't make the mistake in thinking that I'm a blind partisan. I'm fine with people having different opinions than me. But when you write poorly informed posts about health care or Syria and are called out (as I have done a few times) don't just dismiss it as blind partisanship or hatred. That defeats the purpose of a message board.

Admit that others might have a better insight into those issues than you. I get that it's easier on your ego to just dismiss these posts as blind hatred. It shuts down the discussion and saves your face from admitting that you were wrong. But it certainly doesn't make me a hater.

In the future, please refute my posts. Stop calling people mere haters or blind partisans. Doing so just makes you sound even more poorly informed and insecure. What recourse do regular posters have when mods bully fellow posters? Time to practice the rules you enforce onto others.

If you have a personal issue with me then PM me. But if it's related to merely disagreeing with me, state how and why, rather than personal insults. Got it?
 
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