2011 draft.....

[NUMBERICA]

Donatas looks really great offensively. And I read he's really cocky which is good too. But it seems I read that he isn't very interested in defense.
I was really excited about him in last year's draft before he pulled out. Someone wanna refute the knock on his defense? Does his offensive talent translate to wins?

"cocky" is not good. Especially when the guy doesn't give a **** about defense or rebounding. Or power. And he's a big. That's a ****ing problem. And overconfidence is something that shatters when you face real-*** competition and you get destroyed. After that, what is there even to like about the kid?

Maybe I'm wrong, but there is nothing that screams 'NBA player' to me about the guy. Couldn't be less interested, especially since I hear that he completely mails in games.

 

[Revolution 9]

Jrue Holiday is another good PG found @ 17.

If we're picking @ #6 we better not take a PG.

Think size.

We can look @ points @ #12. Or we can just ride Harris and Earl and Hayward next year and think PG next year.

I agree size first if there if the right guy is there. If the 3 big men we are looking at with# 6 are gone I hope we take someone like Knight.
We can try again with pick 12.

The point is we are looking to add a big men first. If the guys we want aren't there then we look for BPA.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Jrue Holiday is another good PG found @ 17.

If we're picking @ #6 we better not take a PG.

Think size.

We can look @ points @ #12. Or we can just ride Harris and Earl and Hayward next year and think PG next year.

Agreed. I really want to see what Harris can do with a training camp, preseason, and regular season (depending on a lockout) with the Jazz before we use a top 10 pick on a PG. I have a feeling he and Hayward will compliment each other really well.

If he can't get it done next season we have another lotto pick we can spend on a PG. There's some good size in this draft and the Jazz have the opportunity to address our biggest concerns, rebounding and interior defense.

 

[Coloradojazzfan]

Here a photo that gives perspective of the 7 footer that just entered the draft, Lucas Nogueira

I like the defensive ability in this young player. Have not seen him take any jump shots, however...

VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpcRvg5RRV0&feature=player_embedded

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

For some reason I am liking t jones more and more. I just don't think he will be there at 12. If we could get biyombo and jones mmmmmm that will solve a lot of rebounding issues.

 

[BENTLEY]

"cocky" is not good. Especially when the guy doesn't give a **** about defense or rebounding. Or power. And he's a big. That's a ****ing problem. And overconfidence is something that shatters when you face real-*** competition and you get destroyed. After that, what is there even to like about the kid?

Maybe I'm wrong, but there is nothing that screams 'NBA player' to me about the guy. Couldn't be less interested, especially since I hear that he completely mails in games.

Well, Kobe's cocky and I think it serves him well in the win column. But it makes me absolutely abhor him. I prefer to actually LIKE my team, regardless of wins. Dunno. I wonder if Bargnani is a good comparison for Donatas. I mean Bargnani is pretty good - he just can't carry a team. But yeah, I think there are better options than Donatas at 6 and at 12.

 

[The Thriller]

I'm not a huge fan of these super skinny yet tall athletic SF types (Batum, AK, and Dunleavy come to mind). Oftentimes they lack the lateral quickness to stick with most SFs. Just look @ AK...

I'd much rather have a decent scorer(paul piece, Deng, Hedo, Grant Hill, Galinari etc) and solid player who can hold his own against postup SFs and not be too tall to stay with others. Or a deadeye shooter @ SF, like Battier, Ariza, Danny Granger, Durant, etc.

I just feel that playmaking should mostly be done by the PGs and SGs. A personal preference I know...

So unless Jan Vesely is a can't miss prospect, I'd rather pass.

If we go after a SF, I'd rather go after a more proven, fundamentally sound, and physically "tougher" prospect like Leonard or T. Jones.

 

[BENTLEY]

Agreed. I really want to see what Harris can do with a training camp, preseason, and regular season (depending on a lockout) with the Jazz before we use a top 10 pick on a PG. I have a feeling he and Hayward will compliment each other really well.

If he can't get it done next season we have another lotto pick we can spend on a PG. There's some good size in this draft and the Jazz have the opportunity to address our biggest concerns, rebounding and interior defense.

I think this is pretty wise. Though I'm willing to admit that Irving may be worth a top pick. Spending a top 10 pick on a PG generally goes against what I think is wise, but I think Irving is worth debating - should the Jazz win the lottery. We'll wait and see. But Knight, as good as he is, is not worth a top 10 pick.

 

[The Thriller]

Here a photo that gives perspective of the 7 footer that just entered the draft, Lucas Nogueira

I like the defensive ability in this young player. Have not seen him take any jump shots, however...

VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpcRvg5RRV0&feature=player_embedded

I've read scouting reports about this guy's lack of effort and already thinks he's "the man." If those are true... And at nearly 7 feet tall, a pathetic 225 lbs, and only 18 years of age, I'd be pretty nervous with the Jazz taking him with one of their lotto picks

I'd guess this guy is going to be put him into the same category as Whiteside. A risky bigman that will be taken after the first 20 picks. Perhaps he'll even slip out of the entire 1st round...

 

[BENTLEY]

For some reason I am liking t jones more and more. I just don't think he will be there at 12. If we could get biyombo and jones mmmmmm that will solve a lot of rebounding issues.

Help me get excited about T. Jones. I only watched him in the tourney and wasn't that impressed. But in contrast, his season stats are impressive.
As some have characterized him, he did appear a little "stupid" on the court. Does he play smart or not? Granted, I only watched him play a few games but that small sample size left me thinking he only rarely made an impact on the game and generally was invisible. And yet his stats make me a liar.

So anyway, gush about him. Why do you like him?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

post count: 193. They might all be excellent posts, but you haven't been around very long. This guy has been uncorking beauties since the days of Serpico.

Please expound.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

pro'lly not. But i do have a problem with many things you say. There is an important difference. This particular point you've made is bloody retarded.

Do tell.

 

[The Thriller]

Help me get excited about T. Jones. I only watched him in the tourney and wasn't that impressed. But in contrast, his season stats are impressive.
As some have characterized him, he did appear a little "stupid" on the court. Does he play smart or not? Granted, I only watched him play a few games but that small sample size left me thinking he only rarely made an impact on the game and generally was invisible. And yet his stats make me a liar.

So anyway, gush about him. Why do you like him?

I only saw him a few times. I think a lot of it has to do with

A. He's only a Freshman and looks pretty darn polished. Showing off skills that many players take years to develop. Heck, even AK and Iggy are still trying to develop a move other than a dunk in this league. While only being a fresh, he posses great size (244 lbs) If he were to stay another year or two he'd probably end up being a top 3 pick.
B. He can score in a variety of ways. This is probably what people like the most out of him. He can be a playmaker, a perimeter shooter, and post up. Again, for only a fresh, he's got a pretty good handle, a good motor (decision making could improve), and a pretty good shot.

Here's a highlight video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90

I think that if he were drafted today he'd probably end up starting as our SF and probably wouldn't suck. Better offensive game than Evans and probably more of a SF than Millsap... Obviously better than CJ.... Probably a better overall shooter and finisher than AK. But might commit stupid fouls/turnovers (which... I guess AK does plenty of too).

Jones is a nice prospect. I wouldn't mind taking him at all with one of our picks.

 

[Hantlers]

I'm not a huge fan of these super skinny yet tall athletic SF types (Batum, AK, and Dunleavy come to mind). Oftentimes they lack the lateral quickness to stick with most SFs. Just look @ AK...

I'd much rather have a decent scorer(paul piece, Deng, Hedo, Grant Hill, Galinari etc) and solid player who can hold his own against postup SFs and not be too tall to stay with others. Or a deadeye shooter @ SF, like Battier, Ariza, Danny Granger, Durant, etc.

I just feel that playmaking should mostly be done by the PGs and SGs. A personal preference I know...

So unless Jan Vesely is a can't miss prospect, I'd rather pass.

If we go after a SF, I'd rather go after a more proven, fundamentally sound, and physically "tougher" prospect like Leonard or T. Jones.

If Dunleavy wouldn't have gotten hurt he would've been a very good player in the NBA. I wouldn't have minded him on my team. Same with Batum, he's a good player. Also Ariza wasn't known as a good shooter coming out of college, he was a skinny, tall athletic player. So basically what I'm saying is that we don't know how these players are going to develop, which is why if you're going to go for somebody with potential, make sure they also have a work ethic.

/I don't like Vesely either.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Terrance Jones has no chin. Does anyone have the stats of chin-less NBA players? Can they succeed in today's game?

 

[NAOS]

Do tell.

I need to explain to you why it is stupid to say that because Biyombo is from Africa the Salt Lake-based Jazz have a better chance re-signing him than if he were from West Virginia (or other origin stories of the "DWill-type")?

Do I really need to explain that to you Mr. Serpico? I hope you don't teach anything resembling a social science or humanities class.

Here's what's wrong (in a nutshell): EVERYTHING.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm not a huge fan of these super skinny yet tall athletic SF types (Batum, AK, and Dunleavy come to mind). Oftentimes they lack the lateral quickness to stick with most SFs. Just look @ AK...

I'd much rather have a decent scorer(paul piece, Deng, Hedo, Grant Hill, Galinari etc) and solid player who can hold his own against postup SFs and not be too tall to stay with others. Or a deadeye shooter @ SF, like Battier, Ariza, Danny Granger, Durant, etc.

I just feel that playmaking should mostly be done by the PGs and SGs. A personal preference I know...

So unless Jan Vesely is a can't miss prospect, I'd rather pass.

If we go after a SF, I'd rather go after a more proven, fundamentally sound, and physically "tougher" prospect like Leonard or T. Jones.

Yeah, but having Vesely's dunks would be so sweet........

 

[NAOS]

Yeah, but having Vesely's dunks would be so sweet........

Vesely runs the floor well, and has the tools to develop a reliable jumpshot. And, he is NBA-style athletic. That is all you can say about the guy. These attributes don't make him a #6 pick, IMO. But if he falls to #10, then somebody will have pretty good value on their pick.

 

[The Thriller]

If Dunleavy wouldn't have gotten hurt he would've been a very good player in the NBA. I wouldn't have minded him on my team. Same with Batum, he's a good player. Also Ariza wasn't known as a good shooter coming out of college, he was a skinny, tall athletic player. So basically what I'm saying is that we don't know how these players are going to develop, which is why if you're going to go for somebody with potential, make sure they also have a work ethic.

/I don't like Vesely either.

Very good points.

I think someone needs to also consider the potential costs of those foreigners.

How many of them have buyouts? Are they expensive? Can they come over for this NBA season or are they going to be stashed for a year or two? How's their understanding of the English language?

The college players meanwhile don't have these question marks.

For the Jazz, a team already strapped for cash in a small market struggling to survive, we need to consider the potential costs of these foreign projects.... We cannot "screw up" this draft and not get anything that will immediately help us. Otherwise, we're going to be in for another tough season next year.

 

[NAOS]

Very good points.

I think someone needs to also consider the potential costs of those foreigners.

How many of them have buyouts? Are they expensive? Can they come over for this NBA season or are they going to be stashed for a year or two? How's their understanding of the English language?

The college players meanwhile don't have these question marks.

For the Jazz, a team already strapped for cash in a small market struggling to survive, we need to consider the potential costs of these foreign projects.... We cannot "screw up" this draft and not get anything that will immediately help us. Otherwise, we're going to be in for another tough season next year.

name 3 players in this draft that will help us NEXT SEASON.