Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[JazzGal]

You don't?

Could you list at least one action trump has done that an innocent person would make? He must have idolized OJ Simpson. Literally everything he has done and continues to do is indicative of every case study I've ever read of a guilty person. From refusing to acknowledge or care about Russian collusion (revealed by both Comey and sessions) to wanting to hide and/or prospect those In his inner circle with criminal connections to Russia to refusing to release his tax forms despite paying a heavy political price, to demanding Comey to shut down the investigation, to firing Comey, to now making himself a martyr by attempting to smear law enforcement merely performing their jobs.

Seriously Jazzgal, you're a bright and fair individual.

Has trump done anything that an innocent person would do?

Another question, aren't trump's actions exactly that of a guilty person?

What completely innocent president wouldn't be mad as hell and get to the bottom of Russian interference in the election? Unless... you already know the answer.

For me, the evidence is already painfully obvious; Especially when you consider Russian hacking and the release of damaging material to Clinton timed exactly when trump was falling behind in the election. This investigation for me is less about discovering connections and more about confirming what most americans already know.

While I agree that there is plenty of smoke, and that Trump in trying to make it go away takes all the wrong actions, I still don't see the smoking gun. Maybe there is one, but I think that Trump is guilty of being clueless and bumbling and narcissistic and arrogant and bombastic, but not necessarily criminal (in this anyway - don't get me started on his behavior toward women and many of his business dealings). Trump is used to railroading people and, by virtue of being rich, getting away with entirely too much, and I assume he believes that it will be the same now that he is president.

I think he didn't realize the importance of the Russian election interference because he was too worried about not winning the popular vote and convinced that people were trying to take his win away. He does believe what Fox News and Breitbart and Infowars tell him, and they didn't think Russian interference was a big deal, so Trump didn't think it was a big deal. He wanted people around him that he trusted, and he refused to acknowledge their Russian connections, but he often acts like what he wants is more important than anything else. If what Comey claims he said is true, it could be interpreted as a demand, but it also could be seen as a bit of a throwaway comment (just like much that Trump says) or at least a passive-aggressive one. As far as firing Comey, I believe he did that with some ridiculous idea that the Russian investigation would go away. That was stupid and naïve, but completely in line with the way this president thinks.

If Trump made logical decisions and made logical, thoughtful statements, I might buy that he is guilty of something criminal here. I just don't believe he has the intelligence to actually have pulled such a thing off. There is no way he wouldn't have been bragging about it prior to the election. So yes, he is doing everything a normal guilty person might do, but I don't believe he's smart enough to be a normal criminal.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and his whole life has been a long con.

 

[DutchJazzer]

From a distance this just seems like it's getting to the embarrassing witch hunt stage that is a bit of a joke to the rest of the world

EXACTLY!


their are 1 2 sides from a distance

omg this is salem witch hunt all over again!
or omg how terrible is trump how can he stay on as president!

 

[JazzGal]

An interesting article entitled "Mormon apostle at Oxford: Lessons Learned from Watergate Scandal" just posted in Salt Lake's Deseret News:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683075/Mormon-apostle-at-Oxford-Lessons-learned-from-Watergate-scandal.html

The first people outside the White House to hear Richard Nixon's secret Watergate tapes 44 years ago were a young law clerk who would become a Mormon apostle and the judge in the Watergate trials.

The biggest lesson is that Nixon had a numbed conscience. With an awakened conscience, he could have stopped the Watergate cover-up and saved his presidency.

Saturday is the 45th anniversary of the Watergate break-in that led to the cover-up. Elder Christofferson said in an interview that he hears echoes of Watergate whenever a special prosecutor or special counsel is appointed to investigate the White House, a president considers firing one and there are pervasive leaks in the news. The point of his lecture was that Watergate was a failure of decent men to follow their conscience.

He does not believe Nixon and those around him were inherently evil.

"A weak conscience, and certainly a numbed conscience, opens the door for 'Watergates,' be they large or small, collective or personal — disasters that can hurt and destroy both the guilty and the innocent," Elder Christofferson said.

"None of us are above that challenge," he said in an interview, "and we shouldn't go blithely along and assume it's only very bad people who do those things. It's basically decent people who go astray."

 

[colton]

An interesting article entitled "Mormon apostle at Oxford: Lessons Learned from Watergate Scandal" just posted in Salt Lake's Deseret News:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683075/Mormon-apostle-at-Oxford-Lessons-learned-from-Watergate-scandal.html

Fascinating. I had no idea Elder Christofferson had that experience.

Here are some more quotes from the article:

In a jury room next to the judge's chambers, Todd Christofferson slipped a tape into the machine and stuffed paper under the record button to prevent an accident that might erase evidence. He and Judge John J. Sirica then slipped on headphones and listened in stunned silence as the president of the United States agreed to blackmail.

"Judge Sirica and I were shocked as we heard Nixon calmly ask" how much money it would take to keep the Watergate burglars quiet"...

Nixon said he could raise $1 million to pay off the burglars but worried that it might be traced back to him.

"The judge and I couldn’t believe, didn’t want to believe what we were hearing," Elder Christofferson said, "and he passed me a note suggesting we rewind the tape and listen again. Up to this point we still hoped that the president was not really involved, but this was indisputable."

Sirica told his clerk he felt gut punched. They finished listening to the conversation, put the tape away and went home early.

"Even now, I remember the sense of disillusionment and sadness," Elder Christofferson said. "This was some months before Nixon’s resignation, but we knew then that the president would be impeached if he did not first resign."

 

[Zombie]

While I agree that there is plenty of smoke, and that Trump in trying to make it go away takes all the wrong actions, I still don't see the smoking gun. Maybe there is one, but I think that Trump is guilty of being clueless and bumbling and narcissistic and arrogant and bombastic, but not necessarily criminal (in this anyway - don't get me started on his behavior toward women and many of his business dealings). Trump is used to railroading people and, by virtue of being rich, getting away with entirely too much, and I assume he believes that it will be the same now that he is president.

I think he didn't realize the importance of the Russian election interference because he was too worried about not winning the popular vote and convinced that people were trying to take his win away. He does believe what Fox News and Breitbart and Infowars tell him, and they didn't think Russian interference was a big deal, so Trump didn't think it was a big deal. He wanted people around him that he trusted, and he refused to acknowledge their Russian connections, but he often acts like what he wants is more important than anything else. If what Comey claims he said is true, it could be interpreted as a demand, but it also could be seen as a bit of a throwaway comment (just like much that Trump says) or at least a passive-aggressive one. As far as firing Comey, I believe he did that with some ridiculous idea that the Russian investigation would go away. That was stupid and naïve, but completely in line with the way this president thinks.

If Trump made logical decisions and made logical, thoughtful statements, I might buy that he is guilty of something criminal here. I just don't believe he has the intelligence to actually have pulled such a thing off. There is no way he wouldn't have been bragging about it prior to the election. So yes, he is doing everything a normal guilty person might do, but I don't believe he's smart enough to be a normal criminal.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and his whole life has been a long con.

If you believe that he fired Comey becuase he had the idea that it would make the Russia scandal go away then you do in fact believe he is guilty of obstruction of justice. That's pretty cut and dry I think.

That's the great irony of this whole situation. The president was correct when he asserted that he wasn't personally under investigation, and that very well may have continued if he had just allowed the investigation into his campaign continue undeterred. Instead he fired Comey and created the much bigger mess he now finds himself in.

For all his whining about the press and 'witch hunts' he really only has himself (and his ****ty ****ty lawyers) to blame.
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[colton]

That's the great irony of this whole situation. The president was correct when he asserted that he wasn't personally under investigation, and that very well may have continued if he had just allowed the investigation into his campaign continue undeterred. Instead he fired Comey and created the much bigger mess he now finds himself in.

Yep. Just like Nixon, it's the attempted cover-up that may prove to be disastrous.

 

[Zombie]

Yep. Just like Nixon, it's the attempted cover-up that may prove to be disastrous.

And Clinton. Wasn't it his perjury that ultimately led him to be impeached?

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[Harambe]

What's the significance of Pence hiring his own lawyer?

 

[Douchebag K]

seriously .. is there actual real evidence of Russian interference ?? Not "suspected" but actual cold hard evidence ??? Donald is a bloody dick but the hysterical searching for Ruskies under your beds is kindof done to death no ??

 

[JazzGal]

Our intelligence agencies confirm the interference in the election. That is no longer in doubt, except possibly by conspiracy theorists. They are still figuring out methods and such, I imagine. But anyone in the know is certain.

What is not known is what effect it had on the election, if any. And of course the question of any involvement with people in Trump's sphere.

 

[JazzGal]

 

[Zombie]

seriously .. is there actual real evidence of Russian interference ?? Not "suspected" but actual cold hard evidence ??? Donald is a bloody dick but the hysterical searching for Ruskies under your beds is kindof done to death no ??

I think you're missing that even if Trump and his associates are completely innocent of any election ****ery, which doesn't appear to be the case, Trump appears to have obstructed justice when he fired the guy in charge of that investigation. We have a video of Trump himself admitting his motives for firing Comey.



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[colton]

seriously .. is there actual real evidence of Russian interference ?? Not "suspected" but actual cold hard evidence ???

Sure, there's a ton of evidence of Russian interference. Or are you skiing about Russian colluding with the Trump campaign in some way? Not sure... We won't know that until the special counsel Mueller finishes the investigation and gives a public report. Maybe there is some evidence already, maybe there isn't. Maybe there will be if there isn't yet. That's why the investigation is happening.

 

[Harambe]

seriously .. is there actual real evidence of Russian interference ?? Not "suspected" but actual cold hard evidence ??? Donald is a bloody dick but the hysterical searching for Ruskies under your beds is kindof done to death no ??

Absolutely, positively, and beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Russian Collusion with the Trump campaign is still under review.

 

[DutchJazzer]

the bad thing about all this is. if they cant catch you for a crime they think you commit. they can get you on taxes like Capone or was it martha stewart or some other celeb?


they saying beiing: "show me the man and i show u the crime"


but let them take down trump! if they succeed i guarantee the next candidate they will hate even more. and in their eyes will be exponetnailly worse.

they are fascist and only want their political view in office

 

[fishonjazz]

the bad thing about all this is. if they cant catch you for a crime they think you commit. they can get you on taxes like Capone or was it martha stewart or some other celeb?


they saying beiing: "show me the man and i show u the crime"


but let them take down trump! if they succeed i guarantee the next candidate they will hate even more. and in their eyes will be exponetnailly worse.

they are fascist and only want their political view in office

Who is "they" that you are talking about? The FBI?

 

[Harambe]

Who is "they" that you are talking about? The FBI?

Obviously, anyone that doesn't support his boy Donnie

 

[The Thriller]

The pressure is getting to him. Look at what our Twitter in Chief tweeted early this morning:

(CNN)President Donald Trump, in a furious Friday morning message, said he is being investigated for his role in firing former FBI Director James Comey and seemed to accuse the deputy attorney general of overseeing a "witch hunt" against him.

"I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director!" Trump said on Twitter, calling the probe into him a "Witch Hunt."

Apparently Rosenstein is investigating him now? I don't exactly follow his logic...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politics/donald-trump-james-comey-investigated/index.html

 

[The Thriller]

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[Joe Bagadonuts]

Our intelligence agencies confirm the interference in the election. That is no longer in doubt, except possibly by conspiracy theorists. They are still figuring out methods and such, I imagine. But anyone in the know is certain.

What is not known is what effect it had on the election, if any. And of course the question of any involvement with people in Trump's sphere.

Anyone who thought Russia was not attempting to interfere was a fool. Of course they want to have an impact on our elections. The leap of logic, to me, is the idea that Trump colluded with them. Is there any evidence of that or is it just a matter of throwing things at the wall to see what sticks?