2011 draft.....
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The Draft Lottery is two weeks from today.
billyshelby
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Jimmer at 6 cracks me up.
Darkwing Duck
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Lol glancing through the thread and I read this as Jimmer is on crack
Hoping for Jimmer to be gone by #12. I hope he is gone by #6 (hah!)
jazzrule
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Spurs Director Of College Personnel Found Value In Kentucky Combine
May 04, 2011 12:10 AM EDT
San Antonio Spurs director of college personnel George Felton attended Kentucky’s pre-draft combine.
“I thought it was a tremendous concept that Coach Cal came up with,” Felton said. “To have an opportunity to get another look at these young men, and also to have an opportunity to interview them — I would love to see more universities do this.”
The UK players involved were freshman point guard Brandon Knight, freshman power forward Terrence Jones, junior wing DeAndre Liggins and senior center Josh Harrellson. Although he would have been welcome to participate, UK student Enes Kanter — who was ruled ineligible to compete this past season by the NCAA — chose not to join the sessions.
Felton said he was able to spend 15-20 minutes interviewing the players and appreciated that opportunity.
Via Mike DeCourcy/Sporting News
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Are we having Brandon Knight and T. Jones in before the draft? I hate seeing the Spurs on top of this, and no one from the Jazz there. I am probably just over reacting with the draft getting close.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...Found_Value_In_Kentucky_Combine#ixzz1LNJQ0a1J
May 04, 2011 12:10 AM EDT
“I thought it was a tremendous concept that Coach Cal came up with,” Felton said. “To have an opportunity to get another look at these young men, and also to have an opportunity to interview them — I would love to see more universities do this.”
The UK players involved were freshman point guard Brandon Knight, freshman power forward Terrence Jones, junior wing DeAndre Liggins and senior center Josh Harrellson. Although he would have been welcome to participate, UK student Enes Kanter — who was ruled ineligible to compete this past season by the NCAA — chose not to join the sessions.
Felton said he was able to spend 15-20 minutes interviewing the players and appreciated that opportunity.
Via Mike DeCourcy/Sporting News
Read more:
Are we having Brandon Knight and T. Jones in before the draft? I hate seeing the Spurs on top of this, and no one from the Jazz there. I am probably just over reacting with the draft getting close.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...Found_Value_In_Kentucky_Combine#ixzz1LNJQ0a1J
mellow
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Nice find jazzrule. No worries the jazz will get to interview these guys at the draft combine if nowhere else. I think the spurs guy is just helping Kentucky's recruiting.
Now jumping topics
I saw over on Utah Jazz web page that Locke has started his Scouting reports. He started with the two JVs and I started watching them too. Then I found a game of Montijunas and was wowed. I think Locke found the same video cause he was raving about Monti on the radio today. Anyway after an extensive 37 minutes on youtube I am now prepared to give my rankings of international players.
1. Motiejunas-he was aggressive and has good instincts paired with basketball skills and knowledge of the game. He can go inside, he can shoot the three, he can pass. If he really wants to come to the nba, he is a top 3 pick. Far and away the best player I saw, wow.
2. Enes Kanter—18 years old going on 32 in a good way. He played smart controlled basketball. He looks incredibly long. Not great leaps but better than Valunciaus. He finishes and rebounds in traffic and the game changed around him especially on the offense and rebounding. I could only watch the Nike Hoops summit game and there wasn’t a lot of offensive plays to judge him by.
3. Jan Vesey—I started with the Locke video, and I have to agree with Locke, I kept watching for something special and just never found it. He plays solid offense, seems to stay in front of his guy on defense, is a sub-par rebounder, is not real fast, he can jump a little, but there was nothing that jumped out at me. Is he 4 in the NBA? A 3? I don’t think he plays a Utah Jazz style 4, and seems slow for the 3. I think his frame and skills match the international game very well, but I don’t know where he fits in the nba or the Utah Jazz. I liked that he played with emotion (but the NBA soon kills that in all their players) .
4. Jonas Valunciaus- Think Koufus only longer. The game Locke analyzes is awful, watch this instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDuksnNPZ-4 He is not an elite athlete, but shows some athleticism. He doesn’t jump, and seems to be trailing play frequently. He would fit in nicely with the USU Aggies. Not real long, not really fast, not really aggressive, not really skilled not real anything. His team played a screen and role offense and he played well within the system. Awesome hands, and good touch on his shot. In the second game I watched the opponents attacked the basket as soon as he came out of the game. He showed slow reaction. It looked like he was thinking through every move he made, almost mechanically. One play he caught a rebound or tipped ball my chance and was all alone 4 feet from the basket and he didn’t know what to do. I wonder how much of the negatives can be attributed to his age? But Kanter was 18 and aggressive, I would like to seen them play against each other.
5. Bismack Boyombo—I had a hard time with him. I had him ranked higher based on the first video I saw of him at the Nike summit, then watched 7 minutes of his euro game, a much more intense, and structured game. I believe if he had played in the 2010 Nike game that Sullinger, Harrison Barnes and Terrence Jones might have matched his athleticism and tempered the hype. He is clearly a superior athlete to the competition and is aggressive, but showed very little basketball skill. He set bad screens, got lost and didn’t open up on a pick and roll, and never attempted a shot from outside 5 feet. He got beat on defense but showed his athleticism in recovering to challenge or block shots. He looked smaller than I expected, and reminded me of ron artest without the crazy. Son of a King eh? Lots of uncertainty, and I know the nba is about athletes as much as it is about basketball, but don’t the jazz already have Jeremy Evans? Can this guy play ahead of Favors or Evans—No.
Now jumping topics
I saw over on Utah Jazz web page that Locke has started his Scouting reports. He started with the two JVs and I started watching them too. Then I found a game of Montijunas and was wowed. I think Locke found the same video cause he was raving about Monti on the radio today. Anyway after an extensive 37 minutes on youtube I am now prepared to give my rankings of international players.
1. Motiejunas-he was aggressive and has good instincts paired with basketball skills and knowledge of the game. He can go inside, he can shoot the three, he can pass. If he really wants to come to the nba, he is a top 3 pick. Far and away the best player I saw, wow.
2. Enes Kanter—18 years old going on 32 in a good way. He played smart controlled basketball. He looks incredibly long. Not great leaps but better than Valunciaus. He finishes and rebounds in traffic and the game changed around him especially on the offense and rebounding. I could only watch the Nike Hoops summit game and there wasn’t a lot of offensive plays to judge him by.
3. Jan Vesey—I started with the Locke video, and I have to agree with Locke, I kept watching for something special and just never found it. He plays solid offense, seems to stay in front of his guy on defense, is a sub-par rebounder, is not real fast, he can jump a little, but there was nothing that jumped out at me. Is he 4 in the NBA? A 3? I don’t think he plays a Utah Jazz style 4, and seems slow for the 3. I think his frame and skills match the international game very well, but I don’t know where he fits in the nba or the Utah Jazz. I liked that he played with emotion (but the NBA soon kills that in all their players) .
4. Jonas Valunciaus- Think Koufus only longer. The game Locke analyzes is awful, watch this instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDuksnNPZ-4 He is not an elite athlete, but shows some athleticism. He doesn’t jump, and seems to be trailing play frequently. He would fit in nicely with the USU Aggies. Not real long, not really fast, not really aggressive, not really skilled not real anything. His team played a screen and role offense and he played well within the system. Awesome hands, and good touch on his shot. In the second game I watched the opponents attacked the basket as soon as he came out of the game. He showed slow reaction. It looked like he was thinking through every move he made, almost mechanically. One play he caught a rebound or tipped ball my chance and was all alone 4 feet from the basket and he didn’t know what to do. I wonder how much of the negatives can be attributed to his age? But Kanter was 18 and aggressive, I would like to seen them play against each other.
5. Bismack Boyombo—I had a hard time with him. I had him ranked higher based on the first video I saw of him at the Nike summit, then watched 7 minutes of his euro game, a much more intense, and structured game. I believe if he had played in the 2010 Nike game that Sullinger, Harrison Barnes and Terrence Jones might have matched his athleticism and tempered the hype. He is clearly a superior athlete to the competition and is aggressive, but showed very little basketball skill. He set bad screens, got lost and didn’t open up on a pick and roll, and never attempted a shot from outside 5 feet. He got beat on defense but showed his athleticism in recovering to challenge or block shots. He looked smaller than I expected, and reminded me of ron artest without the crazy. Son of a King eh? Lots of uncertainty, and I know the nba is about athletes as much as it is about basketball, but don’t the jazz already have Jeremy Evans? Can this guy play ahead of Favors or Evans—No.
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BENTLEY
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This worries me. He had that big game in the nike hoops summit over a year ago and ever since he seems hesitant to do anything that might tarnish his stock. I didn't blame him for being ruled ineligible by the NCAA, but his opting to do nothing when given the opportunity tarnishes his stock IMO. AAHHH!! this draft is weak.
What makes you think the competition last year is better than this year? By every analysis I've read, the 2010 high school class wasn't great and 2011's is just as good if not better. Is the 2010 class 'better' just because you're more familiar with them? Anthony Davis is a far more revered prospect than any big on the 2010 team.
Another thing to consider is anything you see from Spain is before the Hoops Summit and this kid is on as steep a learning curve as you'll find. He didn't start playing real professional ball until mid-season last year at 18 and he still lead the league in blocked shots and was a leader in rebounding rate and FT rate, even being as young, raw, and inexperienced as he was.
You know you've made the big time when your name becomes a verb. "You've been Jimmered!!!" "Don't Beantown yourself!!!" Is it ever OK to Jimmer yourself?
mellow
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Didn't say either was better, but they match up differently. When I watched the two games I saw the 2010 USA class challenging more shots at the rim even though Kanter killed them. Bismak doesn't play like Kanter and I think Barnes & Jones in particular would've matched up well against Bismak. If he didn't show as well he would not have bursted into the lottery. Of course he might've killed them too, and then he would be a top 3 pick. I just didn't see it.
Thats a really good point. I could've been watching the dudes very first game in spain....tracking progression is hard with half an hour and you-tube. I'll have to look at what game I watched. Like I said he is difficult to figure out, I had him as 2 or 3 till I watched the Spain game, but even that was based on his athletism, and I am just not a fan of picking athletes and teaching them basketball--it usaully doesn't yield results. So I put him #5.
Spurs Director Of College Personnel Found Value In Kentucky Combine
May 04, 2011 12:10 AM EDT
San Antonio Spurs director of college personnel George Felton attended Kentucky’s pre-draft combine.
“I thought it was a tremendous concept that Coach Cal came up with,” Felton said. “To have an opportunity to get another look at these young men, and also to have an opportunity to interview them — I would love to see more universities do this.”
The UK players involved were freshman point guard Brandon Knight, freshman power forward Terrence Jones, junior wing DeAndre Liggins and senior center Josh Harrellson. Although he would have been welcome to participate, UK student Enes Kanter — who was ruled ineligible to compete this past season by the NCAA — chose not to join the sessions.
Felton said he was able to spend 15-20 minutes interviewing the players and appreciated that opportunity.
Via Mike DeCourcy/Sporting News
Read more:
Are we having Brandon Knight and T. Jones in before the draft? I hate seeing the Spurs on top of this, and no one from the Jazz there. I am probably just over reacting with the draft getting close.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...Found_Value_In_Kentucky_Combine#ixzz1LNJQ0a1J
I read that 20 teams had representatives there, not just the Spurs. The Spurs just agreed to make a public statement about it. Not a big deal.
Do you think Montiejunas could play center? In other words, we could have Jefferson and Favors in the pivot on offense and have Montiejunas in the lane on defense, similar to what the Jazz tried to do with Okur. The question is whether Montiejunas will play defense and rebound at least as well as, say, a Pau Gasol, something Okur really couldn't do consistently.
BENTLEY
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Donatas will be an offensive stud. I really like his moxie there. I loved him last year but he's sort of old news this year. His defense wasn't especially good last year and maybe it hasn't improved at all - which isn't a good sign. But still he's definitely someone to consider with the 6th pick.
I think he's a PF. At center the Jazz would get killed IMO. You'd have to play him at the 4 and put Favors at the 5. Not ideal. but maybe it could work I dunno. I just want the jazz to try out having a strong defensive frontline. I'm not as worried about the backcourt, which is why I don't have a problem with Fredette there.
I think he's a PF. At center the Jazz would get killed IMO. You'd have to play him at the 4 and put Favors at the 5. Not ideal. but maybe it could work I dunno. I just want the jazz to try out having a strong defensive frontline. I'm not as worried about the backcourt, which is why I don't have a problem with Fredette there.
margodydek
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I would much rather have Donatas than Valanciunas. Not quite sure how we'd work it, (most likely a 3 man rotation of Al, Favors, and Donatas - sorry Millsap, it's SF or bust for you), but I'd rather have a poor mans Barnagni than a rich man's Koufos.
