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NUMBERICA said:
Him opting to not play in the Kentucky Combine is something I am seriously wary of.
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Why does it matter though KOC has already seen him work-out in person. Regarding his knees though, I have heard some stuff on them, but I did some re-search and some guy named Blake Griffin has "bad knees" coming out of Oklahoma his sophmore year too. I think Griffin is doing pretty good right now, hey he even won rookie of the year.
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Why does it matter though KOC has already seen him work-out in person. Regarding his knees though, I have heard some stuff on them, but I did some re-search and some guy named Blake Griffin has "bad knees" coming out of Oklahoma his sophmore year too. I think Griffin is doing pretty good right now, hey he even won rookie of the year.
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I wasn't necessarily wary because of injury concerns, more about the guy's pride and competitiveness. At this stage, he's hurting his draft stock by hiding from any and every chance to play in front of evaluators. It's either that he doesn't have a sack or he's hiding something. That's pretty much it, and neither makes me particularly excited about him. He's also not been playing competitive ball for over a year at a critical juncture in his development.

And as far as Blake Griffin goes, I had never heard of a bad knee and when he was player of the year there was certainly no evidence of it. He injured his knee before he started what would've been his rookie season and he missed the entire season. It's yet to be seen if that injury will ever cause problems down the road, but Brandon Roy carved out a few fantastic years missing cruciate ligaments in both knees and Dejuan Blair doesn't have any cruciate ligaments either. My point is that that problem has caught up with Roy and the reason Blair plummeted on draft night was because of concerns about his longevity, not concerns about whether he'd ever play and make an impact. I don't know that Griffin has had a recurring knee problem, but if he has, declaring MISSION ACCOMPLISHED after one season is pretty premature.
 
freakazoid said:
I happen to think he's on to something here. After reading this board for the last few months, I think it's fair to say that we'd be much improved with a lineup like this:

new guy/new guy
Hayward/new guy
new guy/Hayward
Favors/new guy
new guy/Favors
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I know, right. Personally, I think that we are a starting point guard away from contention. I personally think that 4 out of our 5 starters are set (SG: Hayward, SF: Millsap, PF: Favors, C: Jefferson). I personally don't understand the Millsap and Jefferson hate. The Jazz BEAT the Lakers IN LA at the end of the season using said four starters. Favors and Jefferson match up extraordinarily well against Gasol and Bynum. Millsap has always played well against LA. And we all know about Gordon "Jesus" Hayward. In fact, all of our wins at the end of the season included these four players. We are a point guard away from contention. An outstanding outside shooting point guard at that who can drive to the hole and create his own shot (which is NOT Devin Harris, who can only really drive to the hole). If our point guard was a great outside shooter that can create his own shot/drive to the hole, this team would be nearly impossible to stop on the offensive end. Anybody at the PG position in this draft come to mind.... (his surname sounds like a female groupie that follows someone named Frederick).
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Why does it matter though KOC has already seen him work-out in person. Regarding his knees though, I have heard some stuff on them, but I did some re-search and some guy named Blake Griffin has "bad knees" coming out of Oklahoma his sophmore year too. I think Griffin is doing pretty good right now, hey he even won rookie of the year.
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Blake Griffin does not have "bad knees". There's a difference between chronic knee problems (i.e. Oden, Roy - sucks to be a Blazers fan), and a one time problem. It'll be interesting to see what info comes out about Kanter's knees closer to the draft. If it's a situation similar to Griffin's I'd still take him. If it looks to be along the same lines as Roy then I'd stay as far away from him as possible.
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Why does it matter though KOC has already seen him work-out in person. Regarding his knees though, I have heard some stuff on them, but I did some re-search and some guy named Blake Griffin has "bad knees" coming out of Oklahoma his sophmore year too. I think Griffin is doing pretty good right now, hey he even won rookie of the year.
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Huge difference between a once in a lifetime injury and chronic injuries. Blake's injury happened after he had already been drafted during a pre-season NBA game. Whereas Kanter's injuries are chronic even before he's drafted.

Also, Blake is a freak athlete. He could lose half of his athleticism and still be the most athletic PF in the game today.

What about Kanter? I haven't read anywhere that he's a very good athlete.
 
I still see Knight being a great fit next to Hayward. I could see Knight developing into Devin Harris, but with a better jumper and more passing ability, allowing Hayward to create. I'm hoping Biyombo, Kanter, and Montiejunas show well in the coming weeks so we have a shot at Knight.
 
RCdazy said:
I still see Knight being a great fit next to Hayward. I could see Knight developing into Devin Harris, but with a better jumper and more passing ability, allowing Hayward to create. I'm hoping Biyombo, Kanter, and Montiejunas show well in the coming weeks so we have a shot at Knight.
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But we already have Devin Harris.

Who's playing alongside Hayward at the 3? AK? CJ?

Folks, we can find a good PG in any draft at nearly any draft position.

We already have one good point, Harris, and can resign Earl.

What we don't have, is a decent 3 for the D-League. Millsap folks, probably isn't the answer. Ak sucks. CJ is weak.

We need a 3. Please, lets forget about the point guards at 6. Lets think bigger and better, Leonard or T. Jones.

Hell, we can find good points in the late first round of nearly every draft. Not good wings necessarily...
 
The Thriller said:
But we already have Devin Harris.

Who's playing alongside Hayward at the 3? AK? CJ?

Folks, we can find a good PG in any draft at nearly any draft position.

We already have one good point, Harris, and can resign Earl.

What we don't have, is a decent 3 for the D-League. Millsap folks, probably isn't the answer. Ak sucks. CJ is weak.

We need a 3. Please, lets forget about the point guards at 6. Lets think bigger and better, Leonard or T. Jones.

Hell, we can find good points in the late first round of nearly every draft. Not good wings necessarily...
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Harris is a stopgap. I agree we have a need at the three, but I feel like we will have a shot at Leonard, Jones, or Hamilton at 12. There just aren't any for sure bets for SF in this draft's lottery, and I don't have much faith in any of the international bigs.
 
RCdazy said:
Harris is a stopgap. I agree we have a need at the three, but I feel like we will have a shot at Leonard, Jones, or Hamilton at 12. There just aren't any for sure bets for SF in this draft's lottery, and I don't have much faith in any of the international bigs.
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Then lets draft a point in the next few years. Harris is a stopgap? How do you know? He only played a handful of games as a Jazzman. We don't know what he can do after he learns the system and actually has a few wings to actually pass the ball to.

Give Harris some burn this year. If he fails to impress, then we can draft a decent point next year.

But right now we have absolutely NO ONE at the 3 and our length could improve. So draft a big and a wing this year.

Let next year determine what Harris can do. Not the... what? 20 games? That we saw this year with jokes like Raja, CJ, and AK out on the perimeter. Lets not waste away a #6 on a guy that could end up being just a repeat of what we already have.
 
The Thriller said:
Folks, we can find a good PG in any draft at nearly any draft position
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This is such horse-****, it had to come from you. Again, when we have Kobe Jordan and Shaq Duncan, we can afford to have Derek Kerr as the PG. Otherwise, you go BPA no matter what.

As far as Knight goes or really anyone that isn't Irving, I'm not interested in using either lottery pick on one. Charles Jenkins excites me as much as any of those dudes (I will look like a total idiot or genius depending on how he pans out), and Darius Morris might also.
 
The Thriller said:
Then lets draft a point in the next few years. Harris is a stopgap? How do you know? He only played a handful of games as a Jazzman. We don't know what he can do after he learns the system and actually has a few wings to actually pass the ball to.

Give Harris some burn this year. If he fails to impress, then we can draft a decent point next year.

But right now we have absolutely NO ONE at the 3 and our length could improve. So draft a big and a wing this year.

Let next year determine what Harris can do. Not the... what? 20 games? That we saw this year with jokes like Raja, CJ, and AK out on the perimeter. Lets not waste away a #6 on a guy that could end up being just a repeat of what we already have.
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Harris is a point guard with an average jump shot and court vision that relies heavily on his declining athleticism to be effective. He is not a long term answer.

Outside of the top 2, this draft is essentially a crapshoot. My gut says that Knight is the least likely to bust, because he has a definite position and good size for that position as well as skills that should translate well into the NBA (jump shot with range, willing passer).

Again, if there were any sure fire small forwards, I would be all for them. The best prospects at the three in this draft are tweeners, lack a jump shot, and/or have attitude questions. One of them should be available to take a chance on at 12.
 
The Thriller said:
Huge difference between a once in a lifetime injury and chronic injuries. Blake's injury happened after he had already been drafted during a pre-season NBA game. Whereas Kanter's injuries are chronic even before he's drafted.

Also, Blake is a freak athlete. He could lose half of his athleticism and still be the most athletic PF in the game today.

What about Kanter? I haven't read anywhere that he's a very good athlete.
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Not calling you out here, but just wanted to know what, and where, you heard about Kanter's knees.
 
RCdazy said:
Harris is a point guard with an average jump shot and court vision that relies heavily on his declining athleticism to be effective. He is not a long term answer.

Outside of the top 2, this draft is essentially a crapshoot. My gut says that Knight is the least likely to bust, because he has a definite position and good size for that position as well as skills that should translate well into the NBA (jump shot with range, willing passer).

Again, if there were any sure fire small forwards, I would be all for them. The best prospects at the three in this draft are tweeners, lack a jump shot, and/or have attitude questions. One of them should be available to take a chance on at 12.
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T Jones is at least as sure fire as Knight is.
 
I don't want the Jazz to draft this dude, but I like his interview a lot. I will be following him in the NBA. BTW, there's an espn insider article that showcases all the potential international 1st round picks. I'm really intrigued by a few of them, and I will not be disappointed if we get one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ZncHhd-2g
 
Everything I have seen about Kanter's knees comes from fringe sources. Not saying that Chad Ford is the end-all of prospect analysis, but I think that if there was an injury concern, he would list it in his evaluation on ESPN.com. I could be wrong.
 
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