Burks
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It would be insane to let AB's salary have any effect on his opportunities. Sunk cost fallacy
Yup. 2 years ago people were saying Hood = Hayward. More annoying.
One of Locke's funnier podcasts where he was restraining himself from full-out calling some fans total idiots.
DL is on record saying they did not add wing talent that would prevent Rodney, Exum and Donovan from developing. I don't think he is factoring into Jazz long-term planning, barring a completely shocking performance and health turnaround.
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Don't give me your statistics as your evidence. The guy has / had a lot of talent. The reason he was a bad defender had nothing to do with his lateral movement like say a Boozer or a Kanter. He has the tools; he simply needs better focus and better court awareness on defense. So he has the potential to get a lot better on D.
And I've seen him make some nifty passes, especially on the breaks. He can pass.
He needs to get healthy and get minutes and then we shall see if you guys are right.
Isaiah 1:13
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Sunk Cost fallacy? Did you just make that up cause that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The guy's on the books for over eleven next year so let's just put him at the end of the bench and forget about him. Ever heard about trade value?
ghsartin
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"He simply needs better focus and better court awareness on defense" — Well... the guy has been playing competitive basketball since at least high school and, at the age of 26, has yet to develop a good defensive focus. Nevertheless, you seem somehow sure that this is bound to happen. It is nice to have dreams, I suppose. I hope you're right, though.
Have you never taken an economics class?
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Well, Jingling certainly was no defensive juggernaut when he came to the Jazz and is two steps slower than Burks, yet voila, Joe suddenly turned into a defensive stopper. How did that happen?
I know some of you guys don't like Burks' game. The guy has had a lot of tough breaks but you don't want to cut him any slack and give him a chance. Well, I hope the Jazz do give him that chance this year and see what he can do.
Isaiah 1:13
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Why yes, yes I have. Now maybe you can explain to me how loss aversion has anything to do with Burks playing time. If you are assuming that it's a cost that has been incurred but can't be recovered, that's a fallacy even if it's just pennies on the dollar. And I assure you that's not the way any G.M.s think about their overpaid players. At worst they negotiate a buyout.
Jack Strop
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There was mention of the Jazz wanting to rehab Burks' value in an interview before the draft and free agency began. Can't remember who said it (likely a media member?). I doubt Jazz negotiate a buyout or use the stretch provision (if that's possible). He'll get some minutes. And Utah will continue to shop him. If he shows ANY promise at all, I'll bet he can be traded to a team with cap space along with a 2nd round pick.
And yet you've never heard of a sunk cost fallacy?
Maybe later.
"cost that has been incurred but can't be recovered" = sunk cost, "fallacy" = fallacy. Get why I'm confused?
Sorry but I don't quite feel assured you know what you're talking about. I could definitely be wrong though.
♪alt13
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If Burks is healthy he is not overpaid (anymore).
The sunk costs fallacy doesn't really apply here as it would be more expensive to get rid of him now then let him expire(or improve his value). You generally have to spend to dump injured salary. This is more of a you don't incur the loss until you sell type scenario. Since his value is so low it would be stupid to sell his contract now. The risks of further losses are much lower, and almost meaningless, than the possible gains.
The sunk costs fallacy doesn't really apply here as it would be more expensive to get rid of him now then let him expire(or improve his value). You generally have to spend to dump injured salary. This is more of a you don't incur the loss until you sell type scenario. Since his value is so low it would be stupid to sell his contract now. The risks of further losses are much lower, and almost meaningless, than the possible gains.
Playing him minutes is the sunk cost fallacy. It definitely applies and he is very much overpaid when healthy.
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Burks will eventually get minutes because someone will get injured and I expect him to fall down on a bunch of layup attempts as always.
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Well, I hope the coaches will stress that he should keep his eye on the basket and not just flip up some contorted shot that has no chance of going in, just to try and draw a foul.
Isaiah 1:13
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So what are you, Silesians' personal champion? Other than presenting meaningless tautological arguments and attempting to put me on the defensive, I'm reasonably certain that not only do you not address the point of contention, you really could care less, instead attempting to introduce ad hominem attacks thereby changing the entire focus of the discussion.
Are you really so dense as to not understand my original premise? Since you persist in playing word games, I will only go as far as to restate the original contention. I contended that Silesian's premise was incorrect. He stated that "It would be insane to let AB's salary have any effect on his opportunities. Sunk Cost fallacy". But in reality, as I argued in my response, he has a contract that requires continuous payments and we owe him another ten plus this year and another eleven plus next year. It is not a sunk cost fallacy scenario as the Jazz are not interested in sending good money after bad but as Jack Stroop was kind enough to point out in his post ^ as per interview, the Jazz want to rehab Burks value. "He'll get some minutes. And Utah will continue to shop him."
JS full post: There was mention of the Jazz wanting to rehab Burks' value in an interview before the draft and free agency began. Can't remember who said it (likely a media member?). I doubt Jazz negotiate a buyout or use the stretch provision (if that's possible). He'll get some minutes. And Utah will continue to shop him. If he shows ANY promise at all, I'll bet he can be traded to a team with cap space along with a 2nd round pick.
You are making jokes right? What you are explaining (might as well play him cuz we are paying him) is precisely what the sunk coat fallacy is in this context.
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The best case for Burks is that he plays well when other players go down w/ injury and he doesn't get injured himself.
Then the Jazz can maybe trade him w/ a 2nd round if they need to clear salary.
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Then the Jazz can maybe trade him w/ a 2nd round if they need to clear salary.
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