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Release the Kraken said:
Sorry but you obviously do no understand the concept Cy.
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What don't I get?

Sunk cost fallacy is thinking you have to continue on a path or use something just because you paid for it. In most cases the wise move would be to sell off the thing if possible, but ofc in this case that isn't possible without incurring additional asset loss.

So the wise move, considering every wing or guard (maybe w/ the exception of Neto, but Burks can't play PG) we have on the depth chart is better than him, is to just not play him at all given full health of roster.

Of course he will get minute eventually because an injury will happen at some point, or someone will need rest, but there is no regular rotation spot for him. Sefolosha has more value potential as a trade bait for next year considering he has a team option for 4 million dollars.
 
Best case for Burks: He plays well in some backup minutes while staying healthy he is still an overpaid 2-guard who doesnt know how to play defense, has a long injury history list, and falls down on 75% of his layup attempts.

I'm more excited to see Royce O'Neale get minutes than Alec Burks.
 
The sunk cost fallacy is to hide him at the end of our bench and continue to pay him the big bucks just because we signed him to the contract. Not trying to move him or reboot his value on the market sending good money after bad. As Jack Stroop stated in his post ^ the Jazz intend to give him some minutes and try to rehab his value. I believe that his salary is an issue and that the Jazz will be proactive rather than getting stuck in some sort of sunk cost fallacy scenario.
 
Release the Kraken said:
So what are you, Silesians' personal champion? Other than presenting meaningless tautological arguments and attempting to put me on the defensive, I'm reasonably certain that not only do you not address the point of contention, you really could care less, instead attempting to introduce ad hominem attacks thereby changing the entire focus of the discussion.

Are you really so dense as to not understand my original premise? Since you persist in playing word games, I will only go as far as to restate the original contention. I contended that Silesian's premise was incorrect. He stated that "It would be insane to let AB's salary have any effect on his opportunities. Sunk Cost fallacy". But in reality, as I argued in my response, he has a contract that requires continuous payments and we owe him another ten plus this year and another eleven plus next year. It is not a sunk cost fallacy scenario as the Jazz are not interested in sending good money after bad but as Jack Stroop was kind enough to point out in his post ^ as per interview, the Jazz want to rehab Burks value. "He'll get some minutes. And Utah will continue to shop him."

JS full post: There was mention of the Jazz wanting to rehab Burks' value in an interview before the draft and free agency began. Can't remember who said it (likely a media member?). I doubt Jazz negotiate a buyout or use the stretch provision (if that's possible). He'll get some minutes. And Utah will continue to shop him. If he shows ANY promise at all, I'll bet he can be traded to a team with cap space along with a 2nd round pick.
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You asked if Silesian made up the term 'sunk cost fallacy' because it was the dumbest thing you'd ever heard of. I just asked a simple question to get some info. If my post put you on the defensive or triggered you in any way then that's too bad.

Don't take anything I say too seriously. I'm just some idiot on a message board.
 
Release the Kraken said:
The sunk cost fallacy is to hide him at the end of our bench and continue to pay him the big bucks just because we signed him to the contract. Not trying to move him or reboot his value on the market sending good money after bad. As Jack Stroop stated in his post ^ the Jazz intend to give him some minutes and try to rehab his value. I believe that his salary is an issue and that the Jazz will be proactive rather than getting stuck in some sort of sunk cost fallacy scenario.
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God JFC can be so stupid sometimes.

If you buy tickets to go to a show or something in advance, let's a say a movie, then reviews come out that it's the worst **** ever. It's 3 hours long and just a god awful **** movie, and not the kind of bad that is enjoyable.

You have 2 basic options (also you can't sell the ticket because everyone knows the movie is ****ing awful. You would actually have to pay someone to take the tickets, which would be ludicrous on your part):
1. Go to the movie and have a terrible time
2. Do anything else

If you are being controlled by the sunk cost fallacy you are going to go see the movie because you already paid for it. That would be a terrible use of your time though. You'd be better off doing something else you enjoy w/ your free time.

In this example the ****ty movie is a metaphor for Alec Burks and the other options are any other wing player on the Utah Jazz.

I'm sure DL plans to play him at some point because DL knows other players will eventually have to sit games out due to rest or injury. He is also saying "all the right things" as it would be stupid to trash any player on your team or act like you have completely given up on them.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
God JFC can be so stupid sometimes.

If you buy tickets to go to a show or something in advance, let's a say a movie, then reviews come out that it's the worst **** ever. It's 3 hours long and just a god awful **** movie, and not the kind of bad that is enjoyable.

You have 2 basic options (also you can't sell the ticket because everyone knows the movie is ****ing awful. You would actually have to pay someone to take the tickets, which would be ludicrous on your part):
1. Go to the movie and have a terrible time
2. Do anything else

If you are being controlled by the sunk cost fallacy you are going to go see the movie because you already paid for it. That would be a terrible use of your time though. You'd be better off doing something else you enjoy w/ your free time.

In this example the ****ty movie is a metaphor for Alec Burks and the other options are any other wing player on the Utah Jazz.
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how does this metaphor relate to all the time and energy you waste on JFC?
 
JazzMan4Life said:
You asked if Silesian made up the term 'sunk cost fallacy' because it was the dumbest thing you'd ever heard of. I just asked a simple question to get some info. If my post put you on the defensive or triggered you in any way then that's too bad.

Don't take anything I say too seriously. I'm just some idiot on a message board.
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I wasn't referring to the term itself but rather the way he used it because it didn't make any sense in that scenario from my perspective. And I do appreciate your candor and self-effacing sense of humor. You can put me in the same category.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
God JFC can be so stupid sometimes.

If you buy tickets to go to a show or something in advance, let's a say a movie, then reviews come out that it's the worst **** ever. It's 3 hours long and just a god awful **** movie, and not the kind of bad that is enjoyable.

You have 2 basic options (also you can't sell the ticket because everyone knows the movie is ****ing awful. You would actually have to pay someone to take the tickets, which would be ludicrous on your part):
1. Go to the movie and have a terrible time
2. Do anything else

If you are being controlled by the sunk cost fallacy you are going to go see the movie because you already paid for it. That would be a terrible use of your time though. You'd be better off doing something else you enjoy w/ your free time.

In this example the ****ty movie is a metaphor for Alec Burks and the other options are any other wing player on the Utah Jazz.

I'm sure DL plans to play him at some point because DL knows other players will eventually have to sit games out due to rest or injury. He is also saying "all the right things" as it would be stupid to trash any player on your team or act like you have completely given up on them.
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So then you're saying that the Jazz are stupid because sources say they plan to give him some minutes to rehab his value.
 
Release the Kraken said:
So then you're saying that the Jazz are stupid because sources say they plan to give him some minutes to rehab his value.
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No, if you read the last paragraph I think they are just saying the right things to the media and I doubt they have any intention of him being in the regular rotation.
 
For what it's worth, I don't think that Burks isn't "unplayable" bad-- but I don't see how he gets minutes with Donovan, Dante, Hood, and Rubio around. Even Neto might contribute more next season.

We seriously gotta trade him, but I don't really know for what.
 
dalamon said:
For what it's worth, I don't think that Burks isn't "unplayable" bad-- but I don't see how he gets minutes with Donovan, Dante, Hood, and Rubio around. Even Neto might contribute more next season.

We seriously gotta trade him, but I don't really know for what.
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It's basically impossible to trade him. It's not even necessary until next off-season, and it might not even be necessary then.

I just hope for Alec's sake he can stay healthy and at least prove he is worth a minimum 1 year deal to some team after his current contract ends.
 
Can't wait for Burks to shut you all up by averaging an efficient 15 ppg off the bench.
 
dalamon said:
weren't u supposed to be gone until the next time we made the playoffs or something
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I would still like to lurk every know and then. Rather, I would like to visit a readable site. But I can tell you that, from the perspective of a lurker, Cy is ruining the site.

Ok, that's it.
 
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NAOS said:
I would still like to lurk every know and then. That is, I would like to visit a readable site. But I can tell you that, from the perspective of a lurker, Cy is ruining the site.

Ok, that's it.
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k i hope you have repented of extolling the virtues of Shelving Mack and can admit it was huge mistake to play him so much thnx
 
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