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Archie Moses said:
Again, I'm not saying he's a top "what ever number you want to insert here" player in the league, he's just not overrated. I don't care who you are, you don't break NBA records for the sole purpose of being on a crappy team, with a crappy coach, with a crappy gm, and no direction. I wouldn't build around him either, but I'm not going to say he's "overrated" and Aldridge got robbed. No way. I just don't know what you mean by "overrated". I don't think anyone in the world pimps Love like he's the best basketball player and I guarantee you 99.9% of coaches and players in the NBA respect him and his game.
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I respect his game too, but I can think of two specific times he played against the Jazz and both times he put up huge numbers, but Millsap was the much better player. Look, I think numbers do a good job of evaluating a players performance, but I don't base everything on the numbers they put up.
 
Archie Moses said:
Those numbers are off, I don't know why they're on his page like that. hehepeepeecaca!
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Yeah, I noticed. Reliable source, but somethings messed up. I'll end by saying this. If I had to pick between Love and Millsap with all things being equal I'd probably go Love, but considering how much Paul's getting paid compared to how much Love will most likely get paid (if it's as much as you'd pay him - $15MM a year) I'd take Paul everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
Archie Moses said:
Who would you feel more comfortable giving that deal to?

Boozer
David Lee
Kevin Love
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Oh wow. Can I say none?

David Lee would be last on my list for sure.

Boozer is the best pick n roll player out of the 3, so if I based my offense (like the old Jazz did) I might be inclined to take Boozer, but his injury issues would probably put me off.

So yeah, I would probably take Love. But that isn't a huge compliment to Love.
 
NAOS said:
it's because this question is somehow worth asking that we are headed for a lockout. I'm with pwnasauras, NO to all for that amount.
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Speaking of lockout I've been wondering about this for awhile:

Lets say they come up with a lower and hard cap with the new CBA for next year. What if a team's current contracts for the 11-12 season are already over that hard cap? Can a new CBA affect contracts that have already been signed?

Does that make sense?
 
davidbenoit said:
Speaking of lockout I've been wondering about this for awhile:

Lets say they come up with a lower and hard cap with the new CBA for next year. What if a team's current contracts for the 11-12 season are already over that hard cap? Can a new CBA affect contracts that have already been signed?

Does that make sense?
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From everything I've gathered this would not be possible. A player's contract will remain in tact until the contract expires, regardless of the new CBA. I think this was the big deal with Melo. A lot of people thought he was an idiot for not staying with Denver and signing an extension because he could make a lot more under the current CBA than he probably will under the new CBA.
 
margodydek said:
From everything I've gathered this would not be possible. A player's contract will remain in tact until the contract expires, regardless of the new CBA. I think this was the big deal with Melo. A lot of people thought he was an idiot for not staying with Denver and signing an extension because he could make a lot more under the current CBA than he probably will under the new CBA.
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In this proposal, if that concession comes along with a hard cap and lowered cap, then contracts will go down A LOT as a consequence (unless the deal expires before '13). It was a legitimate concern.
 
margodydek said:
Really getting off topic here, but here is a great article about the impending lockout by Larry Coon:

https://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=5602845&pg=3
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Found my answer:

This is not to say the players who sign new contracts or extensions under the current agreement are necessarily safe. The current rules require a player's salary in the first year of an extension to not exceed the maximum salary. This determination is made in the year the extension takes effect. The extensions for Bryant, Gasol and (potentially) Anthony won't take effect until the next CBA is in place, so these players could find themselves constrained by a new maximum salary rule that provides for considerably less salary than they are currently scheduled to earn.

It is possible for existing salaries to be slashed across the board. It has been the NBA's practice to grandfather existing contracts into new agreements with new restrictions (such as further limitations on salaries or contract lengths) applying only to contracts signed after the new CBA takes effect. The league and players association are under no obligation to do this in the future, and could agree that new limitations apply retroactively to existing contracts or that all existing salaries be rolled-back by a given percentage to meet new revenue sharing targets. That happened with the NHL in conjunction with its 2004-05 labor dispute, in which the sides agreed to roll back salaries in all existing contracts by 24 percent.

The upshot of this is that locking in long-term deals under the current agreement -- either via a new contract or an extension -- could end up being for naught. Since we won't know what the new rules will be until we get there, it's still prudent for players to get what they can under the terms of the current CBA.
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So yes current contracts can be affected by the new CBA. Interesting
 
NAOS said:
wow. For a while I had NO DOUBT this dude would be there at #12. With this draft, it seems like we should abandon prediction.
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Just because the guy who runs the ESPN draft board probably woke up today and just said "To hell with all those Euro ******** who aren't attending the combine, I'm moving Leonard to #5. Suck on that Jan. Eat my junk Bismack. Smell my feet Jonas."
 
NAOS said:
wow. For a while I had NO DOUBT this dude would be there at #12. With this draft, it seems like we should abandon prediction.
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Just because the guy who runs the ESPN draft board probably woke up today and just said "To hell with all those Euro ******** who aren't attending the combine, I'm moving Leonard to #5. Suck on that Jan. Eat my junk Bismack. Smell my feet Jonas."
 
NAOS said:
wow. For a while I had NO DOUBT this dude would be there at #12. With this draft, it seems like we should abandon prediction.
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I agree, this draft is SO weak, I can definitely see the Jazz drafting Kawhi Leonard at #6. The Jazz need a small forward, since Gordon Hayward is going to be playing shooting guard next season (if there is one). Leonard is a Jazz type of player, he comes from a winning tradition at San Diego St. with a great coach and those are the type of players that KOC likes. Huge hands, long arms, and Chad Ford has been watching him workout in Las Vegas (which is probably why he has moved up to #5) saying he is shooting lights-out, also that he can improve on things very easily which is great as well. One of his great strengths is a his defense, he was the one who was put on Jimmer. His wingspan and large hands help him out a lot on the defensive side of the ball. I am starting to like the thought of a Hayward and Leonard tandem for the SG and SF positions.

Kawhi Leonard is 6'7 and weighs 225 lbs, he averaged 15.5 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.4 SPG and shot 29% from three this year, I know that is not very good, but compared to 20% in his freshman season 29% is a great improvement. Leonard is only a sophmore so there is room for improvement, he seems like a small forward in the mold of Shawn Marion and Gerald Wallace in the NBA.
 
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