BENTLEY
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Yeah, I like Kanter a lot too. He's the safer pick so given the choice I'd probably go with him too. But I'm so eager for a defensive presence so I might be idealizing Bismack into best case scenario.
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Yeah, I like Kanter a lot too. He's the safer pick so given the choice I'd probably go with him too. But I'm so eager for a defensive presence so I might be idealizing Bismack into best case scenario.
Nope. I'm just a realist. It is not likely that the Jazz are going to move up into the top 3 of the draft with their own draft pick (#12 overall). I was simply looking at from a best-player-available POV. And how do you know that it will be a "waste" of a draft pick, as you call it? Aren't people like you the same type of people that said drafting Gordon Hayward with the #9 overall a "waste" of a draft pick? Look how that one worked out. Especially if the Jazz were to "waste" it on a player like Fredette, who was the highest-scoring player in college basketball this last season. If a player can score in college like that, he will definitely be able to score in the NBA. Wasn't one of the Jazz's biggest weaknesses this last season outside shooting? Because I'm pretty sure that it was. Unless the Jazz draft a point guard with their first draft pick, I think that it would be a very wise pick.
Keen appraisal. Your points are almost as strong as Jimmer_Fan's.
The ghost of Morris Almond's NBA career disagrees with all of these points.
Jazz4ever
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Ouch. Going with the MoNuts example, that's a low blow, but accurate. Can't believe he didn't even become a serviceable bench guy.
Morris Almond also wasn't the National Player of the Year, either. Look historically at players that have won this award. They pretty much all have become good to great NBA players. My analysis of Fredette would be a hybrid-combo of J.J. Redick mixed with Stephen Curry. The thing that excites me about Fredette is that he had his best games against the best competition he faced. I also hear that he is an extremely hard worker. And by the way, I am in no means at ALL a Jimmer-homer. I am a University of Utah Student and a Die-hard Ute Fan who absolutely detests BYU.
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I know that I left out the other two positions (PG and C). I acknowledge that Russell Westbrook is an excellent player. However, I think that the Jazz have a better starting center than the Thunder (Al Jefferson vs. Kendrick Perkins). Also, it's not like Devin Harris is terrible or something. He did average 15.2 points and 7.1 assists per game this last season. Really, I don't think the Jazz are that far away from serious contention. All we really need is better outside shooting and more consistency. Our team was actually playing pretty well at the end of the season. They beat the Lakers in LA (playoff team), the Hornets in New Orleans (playoff team), and the Nuggets at home (playoff team).
Anyway, back to what I was saying, I was only looking at the SG-SF-PF positions because historically the better teams in the league's best three players are at these positions. You can win with a great point guard (da Bulls w/ Derrick Rose, the Thunder w/ Russell Westbrook). However, these teams generally also have really good players at most if not all of their other positions as well (da Bulls: Deng, Boozer, Noah and their great bench) or their great PG is not their best player (the Thunder: Kevin Durant). Maybe I shouldn't have used the term "most athletic" but maybe the "best potential athleticism" or something like that. Anyway, why are we reading so much into this? For crying out loud, it is all total speculation at this point because none of us know the draft order or what any of the people actually involved with the process are thinking.
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Kanter > Bismack at this point. I'd be happy with either one at 6.
Both could turn out to be studs or busts. It's going to be interesting watching them develope reguardless of where they end up.
Both could turn out to be studs or busts. It's going to be interesting watching them develope reguardless of where they end up.
Hopefully we can invite Kanter and Bismack to workouts at the Jazz facility to see the defend each other.
7StraightIsGreat
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Ummm, wrong. Jimmer played one of his worst games of the year against Florida in the tourny. While his point total may have been decent, he did not come by them efficiently and played a very poor all-around game. Probably the perfect microcosm for what his NBA career will look like.
Ummm, wrong. Jimmer played one of his worst games of the year against Florida in the tourny. While his point total may have been decent, he did not come by them efficiently and played a very poor all-around game. Probably the perfect microcosm for what his NBA career will look like.
gomretat
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JF may be all that and a bag of chips but your scoring in college argument is not true. Look at the top 10 scorers in the NCAA D1 and most of them don't even make a team. Even the top scorers don't have a great track record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_men's_basketball_season_scoring_leaders
Wow Pete Maravich Averaged over 40 ppg's in collage 3 years in a row. Thats amazing.
But to the point you are correct gomretat. I didn't even recognize half the names on that list. Most of them were from small D1 schools that never even went to the tourny.
That was one game. Fredette scored 33 points on 11-22 shooting against an elite 8 Arizona team that had Derrick Williams on it. The Cougars won that game by 22 points, by the way. He also scored 43 points and 25 points against SDSU in the teams' two regular season matchups. SDSU went to the sweet sixteen before eventually losing to the National Champion in UConn. Arizona also lost to UConn in the elite 8.
Another point needs to be made here: many on this board are seriously underestimating how much BYU lost with the highly-publicized suspension of Brandon Davies. Fredette had to take on a lot more of the team's scoring and overall play after Brandon was suspended for the honor code violation. BYU could have been a final four team if he was not suspended.
Jimmer was obviously injured in the Florida game too. For me, I'm interested in how Jimmer will adjust to not being the guy with the ball in his hands 90% of the time.
If we are dreaming anyway, lets REALLY dream. How about both our picks win the lottery so we take Williams and Irving with the #1 and 2 picks. We get our long term answers to point guard and small forward. Otherwise, maybe our own pick wins the lottery and we take Williams and then with New Jersey's #6 pick we can pick up Knight at point/combo guard. Either way is about as good as it gets this year.
Let's say we get Irving and Williams. Irving turns out to be a top 5 PG and Williams turns out to be a border-line All-Star caliber SF. How long before we start going to conference finals and championships?
gomretat
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Agreed, We should not look at isolated games with JF. And JF did have some good games. He also had 16 games where he shot 33% or less from beyond the arc and in 12 of those it was 25% or less.
I would think that it would come pretty fast. We would essentially be the OKC Thunder with better players at the PF, C, and SG positions. Our bench would also be outstanding (Devin Harris, C.J. Miles, Jeremy Evans, Paul Millsap, Fesenko/Okur).
2-3 years as long as Hayward and Favors continue to develop and we can keep an acceptable bench.
