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Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight?

Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight

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Brandon Knight supporters rejoice!!! It seems now our only competition if Walker (or Williams falling, but I would love Williams).
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
You're throwing out assist numbers without looking at assists per minute. Sure, Rondo had less but he had more per minute (I think--it's 6am and I don't feel like looking it up again) than Knight. Curry's not a true point. And Westbrook had Collison running the point as a frosh so he too played little to no point. That said, Westbrook's numbers do give me some hope but again, he is maybe the best athlete in the league, something Knight will never reach.
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Fair enough, but you said that Knight's assists numbers were FAR worse than any of the better point guards in the NBA during their freshman year, that's hardly the case, especially when Knight played about 5 mpg at MOST more than any of the other elite point guards. Sure, per minute makes a difference, but not that big of one. He's right on par with several of the league's best point guards were during their freshman season, and was far and away the number one scoring option on his team. I don't discredit what you're saying though.

Thriller - I'm sorry, but is a point guards athleticism usually a key to him being a great point guard? Irving isn't any more athletic than Knight, so he clearly shouldn't be a top 3 pick either, right? My point is, you're completely under appreciating his other skills (very good shooter, great leader, excellent intangibles, knows how to get his teammates involved, obvious progression) and using his athleticism as the reason we shouldn't draft him at 3. Sure, he's not the number 3 overall pick in your average draft, but I don't have to tell you that this isn't an average draft. It's very weak and there are major question marks with everyone outside of the top 2. I'm not saying he should be our surefire choice, but we're not taking any more of a risk or any worse off than we would be picking Kanter, Biyombo, Walker, any of the Euro bigs or anyone else outside of Irving and Williams. This kid has top 3 or 4 potential, which in this draft is the best we can ask for.
 
Hantlers said:
Perhaps you've explained this before and I just missed it, but what don't you like about Kanter?

Do you think he's not a good player or do you just think that the Jazz don't have a place for him at the moment?
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I don't think he fits the team well. His best case scenario is a better passing Al Jefferson. Best case. I'd rather this team go the defensive center route instead.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
I don't think he fits the team well. His best case scenario is a better passing Al Jefferson. Best case. I'd rather this team go the defensive center route instead.
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Makes sense. I agree that he may not fit our team right now (if we draft him we will trade somebody).....but I still do like him as a player. I was just wondering what your thoughts were. Thanks for sharing.
 
Still think you have to take Kanter over Knight.
His measurements and numbers are all better than expected.
He has the height and fitness to compete at center.
He has huge hands which does matter.
He can match up against just about any NBA center.
What more do you want? Jazz may not get another chance to get a guy like him.
Guys like him are only found in the top three picks of drafts.
Knight may be great, but you might still find a sleeper later in drafts.
Of course this is looking like a pointless debate.
Cavs may take Williams and Wolves take Kanter.
So it will come down to Irving or Knight.
In which case its a possible tossup.
 
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slc said:
Still think you have to take Kanter over Knight.
His measurements and numbers are all better than expected.
He has the height and fitness to compete at center.
He has huge hands which does matter.
He can match up against just about any NBA center.
What more do you want? Jazz may not get another chance to get a guy like him.
Guys like him are only found in the top three picks of drafts.
Knight may be great, but you might still find a sleeper later in drafts.
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Yes I absolutely agree - he's one of those talent you can't pass up on.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
I don't think he fits the team well. His best case scenario is a better passing Al Jefferson. Best case. I'd rather this team go the defensive center route instead.
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And shoots a fundamental shot. And reacts to the defense on the fly/makes quick decisions instead of relying on plodding through and stopping a set. Give me an Al Jefferson that does all of those things and I'll eat a dog turd. I can project Kanter there. Who knows where he ends up, but it's not a stretch for me to imagine that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And shoots a fundamental shot. And reacts to the defense on the fly/makes quick decisions instead of relying on plodding through and stopping a set. Give me an Al Jefferson that does all of those things and I'll eat a dog turd. I can project Kanter there. Who knows where he ends up, but it's not a stretch for me to imagine that.
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Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
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Al doesn't make quick decisions. Anywhere on the court. The only quick decision he makes is that he's going to take a shot when he catches in the post, even if he doesn't actually implement that decision quickly. The guy only started doing ANYTHING on the pick-and-roll more than halfway through the season, otherwise, he'd pull-up with an open-lane and turn a quick 2 into some sort of excruciating siege tactic.
 
vslice02 said:
FWIW same wingspan as Paul Millsap and same standing reach as Al Jefferson.
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Now that the measurements are out, I think that Kanter is definitely an upgrade on Al Jefferson. He's got essentially the same height and standing reach. However, he is a much better shooter of the basketball with range. He also has a developing inside game.

What he has over Jefferson is his speed and quickness. Al is really really bad on team defense - slow to rotate in pick & roll situation. Can you believe we lead the league in shot blocking last season? What we need is a versatile defensive player, not a painfully slow, heavy feet shot blocker.
 
Yeah, if you draft Kanter you can trade Jefferson. Does Indiana want him? I'd want George and 2012 draft picks + whatever else to make the contracts work.
 
Hey, was Reggie Jackson at the combine today? If you're drafting a PG based on potential I'd take him @ his projected 22 rather than Knight at 3.

I know the Jazz don't have a pick at 22 - I'm just saying when drafting a PG on idealized potential it doesn't have to cost a top 5 pick. Unless it's a SURE thing. Which Knight is not.
 
BENTLEY said:
Hey, was Reggie Jackson at the combine today? If you're drafting a PG based on potential I'd take him @ his projected 22 rather than Knight at 3.

I know the Jazz don't have a pick at 22 - I'm just saying when drafting a PG on idealized potential it doesn't have to cost a top 5 pick. Unless it's a SURE thing. Which Knight is not.
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I have actually seen us taking Jackson with the 12th pick in a couple of mocks. Bit of a stretch but he could be a great PG.
 
Jackson didn't attend the cosine. Rumor has it that someone has guaranteed him a pick in the draft.
 
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