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ONE LOVE said:
OK a few of things:

1. I can recall certain painful moments in my life when I could clearly remember what happened, what time of day it was, where in the building I was in, etc, but not all the other details around it. I don't think the human mind is so powerful that you can remember EVERY-SINGLE-THING even when it's a traumatic & memorable event. Not unless you've got photographic memory.

2. What does Dr. Ford have to gain from doing this? She doesn't strike me as someone who has political aspirations. This thing is tearing her life and family apart and at least half of America will be against her for the remainder of her life. Whatever she could gain from this isn't worth all the trouble.

3. If the story you brought up about the 2 men who confessed to assaulting Dr. Ford that night was true - couple with Kavanaugh's innocence, why doesn't Kavanaugh call for the FBI investigation and clear his name once and for all instead of 'I'll do what the Committee asks me to'?

To me the fishiest thing here is Kavanaugh's reluctance for any further investigation.
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1. This is one of the problems with reporting a crime from 35 years ago. No one's asking her to remember everything, but at least narrow down the neighborhood. Her friend could probably help narrow the list of houses to a relative handful where they used to go to parties. She knows the names of the people allegedly at the party. The house was very likely one of their homes. The two girls went to the party together and met three boys. So....was one of the houses the home of one of those three boys? Can you really not look up those addresses and figure out which home it was? This was the neighborhood where she grew up and went swimming all the time. These are obvious questions that a real defense attorney would ask.

2. Ford is a hero among democrats and feminists. She's raising a fair amount of money through her gofundme pages, and like Anita Hill, may go out on the speaking circuit. I'm not saying this is her motive--she clearly believes she was assaulted. However, her circle of friends seemed to be helping her reach out to the press with the intention of getting this story public in time to halt Kavanaugh. Her actions show that she wanted to go public.

3. If the FBI does an investigation, the aftermath may delay the confirmation process for several weeks. Kavanaugh will miss the October session, and I think that's why they're pushing for the vote to happen today. If the process drags on into November, the composition of the Senate and House will change.
 
Harambe said:
If you were a hiring manager, considering a candidate, and someone said "Hey.. that guy's a sexual predator and he's assaulted me before. Here's a timeline of when, corroborated in discussions about his past six years ago(before you were even considered him). Here's the results of a polygraph test I took, voluntarily, that I passed with flying colors. I don't think you should hire him." You consider; and decide you need to ask more questions. The job you'd be hiring him for is very much in the public eye. In the public eye, he's made himself look like an overly emotional, affluenzic fool that is being pissy over his job consideration taking so long. He interrupts people, degrades people, inferrs that there's a conspiracy in his speech.

Remember that you're not trying to convict him, you're trying to decide if he's capable of putting his emotions aside to act in the good of your company. There are other candidates out there that are just as qualified.

Would you hire this man?
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Sigh.

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Stars Fan said:
I was struck by what a privileged upbringing these two witnesses had.

Hard to relate to folks born with the silver spoon in their mouths when the road gets rocky. Her experience was more sympathetic, plenty of people can relate. Hard to relate to Biff Kavanaugh though.

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Some of these students at the elite Ivy League schools are told that they're the future leaders of our country. They're told this in boarding school. Everyone belonged to the country club and socialized. It's something of a class system.
 
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Harambe said:
If you were a hiring manager, considering a candidate, and someone said "Hey.. that guy's a sexual predator and he's assaulted me before. Here's a timeline of when, corroborated in discussions about his past six years ago(before you were even considered him). Here's the results of a polygraph test I took, voluntarily, that I passed with flying colors. I don't think you should hire him." You consider; and decide you need to ask more questions. The job you'd be hiring him for is very much in the public eye. In the public eye, he's made himself look like an overly emotional, affluenzic fool that is being pissy over his job consideration taking so long. He interrupts people, degrades people, inferrs that there's a conspiracy in his speech.

Remember that you're not trying to convict him, you're trying to decide if he's capable of putting his emotions aside to act in the good of your company. There are other candidates out there that are just as qualified.

Would you hire this man?
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It depends on the job he's being hired for. None of what you describe would show up in a criminal background check. I would confront him about it, but understanding that the allegation was from 35 years ago when he was 17 at a high school drinking party, I would probably leave it in the past. The question is whether this person is a heavy drinker, a womanizer and/or a violent person today. His track record in the past 10 years would suggest he's not.
 
rare144 said:
What about her civic duty to report a sexual predator to the police? If any of this was true....
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Kavanaugh might have been a rowdy, drunk teen-ager 35 years ago. That doesn't make him a sexual predator today. The allegations against him may not qualify as sexual assault. The case against him is too weak to make that leap.
 
fishonjazz said:
But why would the dems do this? Couldn't the people who pick the supreme court judges just choose someone else that the democrats dont like instead?
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If the nominee isn't confirmed before the November elections, the seat could remain open through the election in 2020. The Democrats are fighting for the SC with everything they've got. That's why the Repubs think Feinstein sat on the allegation for 45+ days so she could use it to draw the process out. Everything that happened yesterday could have taken place weeks ago during the normal confirmation process. Ford's allegation was put in play after the confirmation hearings had concluded.
 
Catchall said:
It depends on the job he's being hired for. None of what you describe would show up in a criminal background check. I would confront him about it, but understanding that the allegation was from 35 years ago when he was 17 at a high school drinking party, I would probably leave it in the past. The question is whether this person is a heavy drinker, a womanizer and/or a violent person today. His track record in the past 10 years would suggest he's not.
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When you confronted him about it among stake holders, he through another fit.
 
Catchall said:
If the nominee isn't confirmed before the November elections, the seat could remain open through the election in 2020. The Democrats are fighting for the SC with everything they've got. That's why the Repubs think Feinstein sat on the allegation for 45+ days so she could use it to draw the process out. Everything that happened yesterday could have taken place weeks ago during the normal confirmation process. Ford's allegation was put in play after the confirmation hearings had concluded.
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Personally I’ve had it with both parties. I’m sure if roles were reversed, Republican would be doing the same, and Democrats would be outraged as well


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Catchall said:
If the nominee isn't confirmed before the November elections, the seat could remain open through the election in 2020. The Democrats are fighting for the SC with everything they've got.
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I wish this was the case, but I doubt it. The Democrats have a long history of not playing hardball and getting steamrolled because of it. Even now there are red state Dems likely to vote for Kavanaugh provided there is an FBI investigation. If he withdrawals or is pulled and Trump puts forward someone without the baggage, Manchin Heitkamp et al will waste no time in giving their support.

After what happened to the Merrick Garland seat I would be elated if the Democrats fought for a vacant seat that ought to be theirs, but it's not likely to happen.
 
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
Sorry that I did not find an exact parallel for you. I also apologize that one was told by a president and the other by a congressman.
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But when you parallel a terrible crime with a "no big deal," then you've swung and missed by a light year.
 
Catchall said:
It depends on the job he's being hired for. None of what you describe would show up in a criminal background check. I would confront him about it, but understanding that the allegation was from 35 years ago when he was 17 at a high school drinking party, I would probably leave it in the past. The question is whether this person is a heavy drinker, a womanizer and/or a violent person today. His track record in the past 10 years would suggest he's not.
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So here is a little open kimono to color this situation. Sorry if this is tmi.

When in HS, I was a lost soul...did plenty of stuff that I cringe about today. I later grew out of that and changed my life. When I enlisted in the USAF, I had to answer for those cringe worthy things when I applied for a security clearance. They chalked it up to "youthful indiscretion. "

You can claim that Biff should be given the same consideration. However, to me, you only get that consideration if you deal with it openly and apologize for it. If I had tried to hide my youthful indiscretions, and had later been caught out, I would have expected to face severe punishment. My problem is, he tried to have it both ways... the choir boy image, and the youthful hedonist. You don't get to brush off your behavior if you haven't changed your heart. You protect your ego, or your honor. To protect your honor, you should be expected to act honorably.

I get that he does not remember attacking her. But he should be able to talk openly about who he was in HS and his penchant for drinking. I am sure that I am naive about the adversarial process he found himself in and what we could reasonably expect of him. He was undoubtedly coached to take the never back down, never apologize tack he did. But he shouldn't expect to inspire anyone who is not already in the choir he is preaching to.

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Stars Fan said:
Wow. Flake, Manchin, Murkowski, and Collins in the toss up column. Thank you Senator Flake. It may not change the outcome, but maybe it will help bring a little sense to our politics

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LOL - Flake is just looking to F' things up for Trump on the way out.

Under any other circumstance he'd be firmly in the confirm column.
 
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