Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire
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He needs to. Outside of Evangelical groups, There's not a stigma for drinking; merely drinking too much, too often, or while driving.
Not posting this because it reflects how I feel, just adding it to the thread because it's out there.
Wow, that’s a powerful image.
The Thriller
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Bringing up more clinton stuff? What’s with you guys? It’s like a broken record. You folks can’t go one day without bringing up the clinton piñata. Using clinton to justify republican behavior is a quick way to be placed on my ignore list. It’s tired and so very lame.
I couldn’t rant because this incident and accusation happened before I was born. If clinton were interviewing for a judicial position, I don’t think you’d find me defending him.
It’s 2018, things have changed. Try something more relevant man. Clinton isn’t relevant. Doesn’t show hypocrisy or double standards as democrats aren’t defending sexual predators (see al Franken).
If you think bringing up clinton somehow reveals hypocrisy of Kavanaugh’s critics then perhaps you’re the one who needs therapy? Just a thought!
Why would kavanaugh lie about his excessive drinking? Why lie about yearbooks? These are facts easily disproven by countless roommates, friends, and classmates. Could it be because it ruins choirboy’s image? Because it only adds credibility to these accusations made by women who describe an entitled and drunk man who sexually assaults women?
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The Thriller
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Not posting this because it reflects how I feel, just adding it to the thread because it's out there.
Very powerful.
It’ll be interesting to see how this works out. My very conservative mother in law and starch pro life advocate has become extremely liberal recently. Scott Pruit’s corruption and now the treatment of Ford have been the biggest game changers for her. She was sexually assaulted when she was young. So despite her abhorrence of abortion, she really sympathizes with Ford. The republican treatment of Ford and dismissing the female prosecutor when interviewing Kavanaugh, really turned her against this judicial nominee.
She’s still very pro life but she’s angry at republicans and doesn’t want Kavanaugh on the court.
Republicans seem to think he’s the only judge they can appoint. They want to die on this hill. But it’ll be interesting to see if this leaves enormous scars that’ll last years. Can republicans lose large amounts of the college educated, minorities, and women voters and still remain relevant other than in the senate?
I guess we’ll soon find out!
The Thriller
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I looked this up to find out why you’d be posting this. Apparently Fox News had her on the other day. Did you watch it? Is that why you’re bringing her up? She claims that democrats are being hypocritical now. Hey that’s exactly what you accused me of being!!! Cool! Do you think you’re clever regurgitating Fox News talking points?
Apparently she claims that Clinton raped her in 1976 and accused him in 1999. So yeah, I guess I owe you an apology. I should’ve been up in arms. My hypocrisy has been revealed. I should’ve marched against Clinton and “the Dems” when I was in the 5th grade.
Being ignorant to sexual assault (or politics for that matter) back in 1999 when I was in elementary school but being against it now in 2018 as an adult clearly shows the hypocrisy that has infected “the left.” I most certainly have foreseen my ignorance of a man I didn’t kn
I bow to your intellectual prowness. You really kicked my ***.
Wes is not a right-winger...
The Thriller
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That’s fine I never said he was. But I find it odd that:
A. He’s repeating right wing talking pts.
B. He seems to be accusing me of hypocrisy for not lynching clinton when I was in elementary school in the 1990s. I guess I should’ve been more engaged in elementary school when I was a child to avoid being accused of hypocrisy when standing against sexual assault as an adult in 2018. My bad
Why do republicans focus on clinton but ignore what happened to Franken? Is it because it dispels the narrative that democrats justify sexual assault when attempting to gain political power?
Maybe. Have you ever read a transcript of an FBI investigation in process? They have a way of getting information out of people.
The Thriller
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@Bulletproof one thing I want to leave clear is that I believe in changing attitudes. I don’t like the cynicism that pervades politics today. I believe and trust most people are good at heart and are trying to do their best. But I don’t like the cynicism and backwards thinking we see today.
The first presidential election I voted in had a utah based initiative that outlawed gay marriage in utah. I voted for it being from a fairly conservative background. It only took a few years before I realized the error of my thinking and became an advocate for equality.
More recently, I changed my views on american isolationism. Under the bush era and start of obama, I probably would’ve loved the type of rhetoric trump daily spews against the UN and NATO. I grew up in high school and college under the war on terror. But over the past 5-6 years I’ve come to recognize our important role in the world, unity with global partners in maintaining the peace, and of combating the misinformation and evil of nationalist powers. I don’t remember but I probably mentioned on this site resistance to intervening on behalf of Ukraine against Putin’s aggression. But that was a mistake. I believe in America’s message to the world and ultimately would give the great sacrifice of blood on behalf of the greater good.
So it bugs me when people are cynical. They bring up past feelings from decades ago on gay marriage and sexual assault. Sure, back in the 90s and 80s, a lot of people probably thought homosexuality was an icky choice And women were raped because they wore skirts too short.
But to focus on such archaic beliefs is ignoring the progressive thinking of more recent times. Becoming better than we were. Learning from our past mistakes. Just because we justified sexual assaul decades ago doesn’t mean we should now in 2018. I’m fine with purging judges and politicians from both sides who mistreat women.
The first presidential election I voted in had a utah based initiative that outlawed gay marriage in utah. I voted for it being from a fairly conservative background. It only took a few years before I realized the error of my thinking and became an advocate for equality.
More recently, I changed my views on american isolationism. Under the bush era and start of obama, I probably would’ve loved the type of rhetoric trump daily spews against the UN and NATO. I grew up in high school and college under the war on terror. But over the past 5-6 years I’ve come to recognize our important role in the world, unity with global partners in maintaining the peace, and of combating the misinformation and evil of nationalist powers. I don’t remember but I probably mentioned on this site resistance to intervening on behalf of Ukraine against Putin’s aggression. But that was a mistake. I believe in America’s message to the world and ultimately would give the great sacrifice of blood on behalf of the greater good.
So it bugs me when people are cynical. They bring up past feelings from decades ago on gay marriage and sexual assault. Sure, back in the 90s and 80s, a lot of people probably thought homosexuality was an icky choice And women were raped because they wore skirts too short.
But to focus on such archaic beliefs is ignoring the progressive thinking of more recent times. Becoming better than we were. Learning from our past mistakes. Just because we justified sexual assaul decades ago doesn’t mean we should now in 2018. I’m fine with purging judges and politicians from both sides who mistreat women.
Ford talked to her Representative before she talked to Feinstein, IIRC.
Bill Clinton, and the passage of time, make me ashamed to have voted for him.
Stars Fan
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Yes. Ford said she first went to the Post on the advice of friends. She decided she did not want to go the journalism route, and then went to her Representative, and then to her Senator. She wanted the information to inform the committee, but wanted to remain anonymous. It is not clear if the letter was included in what she gave the Post. In any case it was known by many people that she had made this allegation. It is not clear who leaked the letter. After it hit the news she decided to give it credibility by renouncing anonymity. She asked that the judiciary committee have the FBI conduct an investigation to avoid the contest of credibility were eventually got. Feinstein says it was not her or her staff that released Ford's letter.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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There was a massive difference in how these two witnesses were treated. That partly explains the differences here (imagine being grilled on the contents of your yearbook, etc.). But it doesn't entirely explain the differences and I agree that he could have handled himself better. I do agree with him that his treatment has been atrocious, though.
Ford brought her allegations to Feinstein's attention and asked that she remain anonymous. That means that she was asking that something be done about them. Unfortunately for everyone (especially Ford) Feinstein used the letter in the most political way possible. She revealed the letter publicly at the eleventh hour... and someone (either Feinstein, her staff or Dr. Ford) soon leaked it. Disgusting.
All that said, I agree with you about the investigation. I did not initially believe it was warranted because I saw this whole thing as a hit job. Having heard Ford speak I think we need more info. I strongly believe the best way to have handled this (politics aside) would have been for Feinstein to bring it to the attention of the committee back in July, and for them to have ordered a confidential investigation.
Both sides are behaving very badly and have been for some time. I was very happy to see Flake reach across the aisle, and I hope it is a portent of better things to come. Unfortunately, my gut tells me that is not going to be the case. There are some people on the left who hate Trump so badly that they will stop at nothing to obstruct. In fact, they brag about it. Very sad times politically.
Miggs
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Or it was news two years ago when Hilary was running for the Presidency. But yeah, keep doing your thing, Thriller, and leading the good fight.
I think Ford was complicit with the letter being released. She may have directly followed up with the WaPo reporter to grant permission for her name to be released. I don't think it was released without her knowledge. Feinstein's office was already advising Ford and recommending counsel for her long before her name was released. They were preparing to take this public. It's also pretty clear that the Dems used this as a gambit to extend the confirmation process and muck it up, but that's politics is usual. At the end of the day, the question is whether Kavanaugh really did this or not.
Also, some of the press is going after Kavanaugh with the accusation of under-representing how much he drank, how much he partied in college, or that he was a "sloppy drunk." To me, that's neither here nor there. It may be circumstantial evidence to support that Kavanaugh couldn't control his behavior, but until a time and place are established for the actual alleged crime, that doesn't really matter.
Miggs
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Lmao.
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