Jazz need shooters desperately

[Getting Traded]

We should go rescue Hill from the Cavs... make up the bad feelings... and play the slow it down murder ball we used to. Grizz are still doing it. It worked for us.

A team built around Rudy needs to play like this. We are definitely not built for speed. The only real burners we have are Exum and Mitchell. Ricky often pushes the pace but he is not really that fast or quick.

 

[jazzETX]

Wonder if fatigue has anything to do with the poor FT shooting. The pace of some of these games is like lightning. And I think the scouting report on us is to run and attack, leaving Rudy behind them so he can't protect the rim.

Nah... just mental. 3 point percentage might be affected by tired legs... free throws though... I really don't think so.

it's definitely mental and it becomes contagious throughout the team. they are missing alot of FTs early in games when their legs should be freshest.

I hated the Grayson pick. I'm fine with what I've seen so far. We kinda knew the defense was gonna be rough... he has had some moments where he was okay on that end. His shot is smooth and I trust it.

Both guys should be given a pass until the get some extended burn. When a guy comes off the bench and knows he is only playing a couple minutes... that first shot is almost always a miss. We really need to let them play through a couple cold streaks imo. When they consistently throw up an 0-5 when getting 15-20 real minutes we can worry.

yes it was preseason, but it wasn't an accident that they both shot their 3's so well in preseason when they were getting regular/consistent minutes and looked comfortable on the floor. even when they're off, the offensive dynamic changes since it's risky to help off of them on drives. opens up the game more for donovan and rudy compared to when dante and ricky are in (although to his credit ricky has looked much better the last 2 games). i'd like to see grayson paired up more with donovan and also with alec. a small ball lineup with the 3 of them, ingles/crowder, and rudy could be really good offensively at leaast. would mean giving royce's minutes to grayson which I'm fine with if grayson gets better on defense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Wonder if fatigue has anything to do with the poor FT shooting. The pace of some of these games is like lightning. And I think the scouting report on us is to run and attack, leaving Rudy behind them so he can't protect the rim.

Pace isnt the issue. They just lost to a snail's pace team in the Pacers.

 

[Piso]

Offense
FT% :
Last year : 16.8/21.5 77.9%
This year : 20.1/28.4 71.0% ; 22.1 with 77.9% ; -2pts/G

2P% :
Last year : 27.5/53.3 51.5%
This year : 27.2/50.8 53.6% ; 26.2 with 51.5% ; +2pts/G

3P% :
Last year : 10.8/29.6 36.6%
This year : 10.5/31.9 32.8% ; 11.7 with 36.6% ; -3.6pts/G

Defense (opponent shooting)
Less than 5 feet :
Last year : 15.9/26.5 59.9%
This year : 18.2/29.6 61.5% ; 17.7 with 59.9% ; +1pts/G

5-9ft :
Last year : 3.6/9.4 38.7%
This year : 4.5/9.5 46.9% ; 3.7 with 38.7% ; +1.4pts/G

10-14ft :
Last year : 3.3/8.5 38.7%
This year : 3.6/8.4 43.7% ; 3.2 with 38.7% ; +0.8pts/G

15-19ft :
Last year : 3.7/9.2 39.8%
This year : 3.2/6.9 47.0% ; 2.7 with 39.8% ; +1pts/G

20-24ft :
Last year : 5.4/13.8 39.3%
This year : 5.6/15.4 36.3% ; 6.0 with 39.3% ; -0.8pts/G

25-29ft :
Last year : 5.2/15.0 35.0%
This year : 5.5/15.2 35.9% ; 5.3 with 35.0% ; +0.6pts/G

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Offense
FT% :
Last year : 16.8/21.5 77.9%
This year : 20.1/28.4 71.0% ; 22.1 with 77.9% ; -2pts/G

2P% :
Last year : 27.5/53.3 51.5%
This year : 27.2/50.8 53.6% ; 26.2 with 51.5% ; +2pts/G

3P% :
Last year : 10.8/29.6 36.6%
This year : 10.5/31.9 32.8% ; 11.7 with 36.6% ; -3.6pts/G

Defense (opponent shooting)
Less than 5 feet :
Last year : 15.9/26.5 59.9%
This year : 18.2/29.6 61.5% ; 17.7 with 59.9% ; +1pts/G

5-9ft :
Last year : 3.6/9.4 38.7%
This year : 4.5/9.5 46.9% ; 3.7 with 38.7% ; +1.4pts/G

10-14ft :
Last year : 3.3/8.5 38.7%
This year : 3.6/8.4 43.7% ; 3.2 with 38.7% ; +0.8pts/G

15-19ft :
Last year : 3.7/9.2 39.8%
This year : 3.2/6.9 47.0% ; 2.7 with 39.8% ; +1pts/G

20-24ft :
Last year : 5.4/13.8 39.3%
This year : 5.6/15.4 36.3% ; 6.0 with 39.3% ; -0.8pts/G

25-29ft :
Last year : 5.2/15.0 35.0%
This year : 5.5/15.2 35.9% ; 5.3 with 35.0% ; +0.6pts/G

This kind of gives me hope cuz all the mid-ranges percentages against the Jazz seem fluky.

 

[Getting Traded]

We should go rescue Hill from the Cavs... make up the bad feelings... and play the slow it down murder ball we used to. Grizz are still doing it. It worked for us.

A team built around Rudy needs to play like this. We are definitely not built for speed. The only real burners we have are Exum and Mitchell. Ricky often pushes the pace but he is not really that fast or quick.

Pace isnt the issue. They just lost to a snail's pace team in the Pacers.

Guess you weren't watching last night's game. The Pacers were running at every chance and attacking the basket constantly. This, to me, seems to be the strategy that teams are adopting against the Jazz, aside from the Grizz who don't play that way.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

A team built around Rudy needs to play like this. We are definitely not built for speed. The only real burners we have are Exum and Mitchell. Ricky often pushes the pace but he is not really that fast or quick.

Guess you weren't watching last night's game. The Pacers were running at every chance and attacking the basket constantly. This, to me, seems to be the strategy that teams are adopting against the Jazz, aside from the Grizz who don't play that way.

I watched the game. The pace was 96.5. 96.5 would be tied for dead last on season average with the Grizzlies. It's 4 points below Utah's season average for pace.

They had fastbreak points off turnovers, but they werent running that much. They only capitalized on Jazz mistakes in transition when they could and when they couldn't they decimated us with a slow half-court offense until they got open shots.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This kind of gives me hope cuz all the mid-ranges percentages against the Jazz seem fluky.

My worry is that we don't contest those shots hard enough because that is what we want them to shoot. Like teams have figured out going into Rudy is a bad idea and that we will give up those mid rangers freely. The percentage might be fluky but teams might shoot better in that range because of our scheme.

 

[Getting Traded]

I watched the game. The pace was 96.5. 96.5 would be tied for dead last on season average with the Grizzlies. It's 4 points below Utah's season average for pace.

They had fastbreak points off turnovers, but they werent running that much. They only capitalized on Jazz mistakes in transition when they could and when they couldn't they decimated us with a slow half-court offense until they got open shots.

I wouldn't call it slow, though, they were driving, kicking, and constantly rotating. They had so many shots, at least that I recall, at the rim because of their constant attacking, and a lot when Rudy was not in the paint. What do you mean by pace, possessions?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My worry is that we don't contest those shots hard enough because that is what we want them to shoot. Like teams have figured out going into Rudy is a bad idea and that we will give up those mid rangers freely. The percentage might be fluky but teams might shoot better in that range because of our scheme.

I mean, a lot of teams do that. Everyone who drops the big does that.

Like is Portland allowing crazy mid-range %? They drop big and have worse defensive guards, so by the same logic they should give up a similar percentage.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I wouldn't call it slow, though, they were driving, kicking, and constantly rotating. They had so many shots, at least that I recall, at the rim because of their constant attacking, and a lot when Rudy was not in the paint. What do you mean by pace, possessions?

Yes, that's what a fast or slow game is, the amount of possessions.

 

[mdalby]

Do Jazz players need to pick up the Fultz FT process to try to improve our FT shooting? I guess we gotta try something!

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Do Jazz players need to pick up the Fultz FT process to try to improve our FT shooting? I guess we gotta try something!

lol, looks like Futlz's right hand is arguing with his left hand about which one has to shoot the ball

 

[Deleted member 5000]

#1 overall pick in one of the best drafts in NBA history, Philly gave Boston an additional first for letting them draft him - Boston takes Tatum 2 picks later

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean, a lot of teams do that. Everyone who drops the big does that.

Like is Portland allowing crazy mid-range %? They drop big and have worse defensive guards, so by the same logic they should give up a similar percentage.

If those were the only two factors yes... but they also have Aminu and Harkless who are more active in helping than Joe, Favs, Crowder. I don't know if that is it honestly... I'm just proposing that there may be something we are doing that is pushing that number higher. It might be small sample size, but I just feel like the defense isn't nearly as suffocating and I don't think it is just shot making... shot making may just be part of it.

This season has just been weird... The record isn't too far off what I expected right now... but the weird blowouts and guys struggling.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

#1 overall pick in one of the best drafts in NBA history, Philly gave Boston an additional first for letting them draft him - Boston takes Tatum 2 picks later

I heard there is a reddit type rumor of a motor cycle accident that may have caused some lingering nerve issues in the shoulder. Not a doctor, but I wonder if there is something like that. He's now going back to the doctor for an exam. It would make sense why he would keep it a secret because he would lose some dollars... I think someone would have proved that out though given the internet sleuthing that goes on these days.

I don't know but this is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen in sports.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Thats interesting but it seems all mental

 

[JazzyFresh]

I've been saying we need a bench scorer since early last season. I've never questioned our FO but it baffles me that they can't/couldn't see it. I'm sorry Crowder is a great role player but he's not a legit scoring threat.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Thats interesting but it seems all mental

Yeah it's likely the yips... but either something medical and a cover up... or the yips and they blame the shoulder with a medical cover up.

I thought Fultz was going to be so damn good too... I'm bummed out about it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Our free throw shooting being bad is almost all on Favs and Rudy. Both are 10% less than they were last year and go to the line a lot. The rest of the guys are marginally lower... Joe is way lower but hardly ever goes to the line. I expect we will be closer to 75% by year end.

We do need more shooting though... wasn't the problem last night. I really think that was just an effort loss.