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Start Dante for Rubio

There's a lot of things you would have to consider there, like who Exum got to play with prior to the trade and who Rubio consistently gets to play with as well. I would wager those numbers/grade would look a lot better if it's only using Exum's data since the Korver trade for example.

Main reason why I posted it is because it's a nice way to make light of Rubio's impact, why he is starting, and why a nice 5 game stretch from Dante isn't enough to give him the starting role as of yet. Exum was objectively bad for most of November, and while I'm super stoked he's turned it around in December (his Per 36 numbers since Dec 4th are impressive), the consistency is what's going to be needed before Exum vs Rubio for the starting role is anywhere near a real debate.
 
Sigh... I think Quin is doing a great job with Exum. If he keeps playing well he will be given more minutes, no need to freak out. Changing the starting PG is a big deal and in this case changes the whole look of the team.

What some claim about Exum being on a short lease is just false. Quin specializes in player development and if he deemed necessary to pull out Exum I’m sure it was for a good reason.
 
Jazzta said:
Sigh... I think Quin is doing a great job with Exum. If he keeps playing well he will be given more minutes, no need to freak out. Changing the starting PG is a big deal and in this case changes the whole look of the team.

What some claim about Exum being on a short lease is just false. Quin specializes in player development and if he deemed necessary to pull out Exum I’m sure it was for a good reason.
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Total bulls###
 
Kyoto said:
You also have to take into consideration that Dante, for the most part, is playing against the opposing teams second unit

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These stats are completely out of context for me. I started reading what they actually mean and went down a multi-site rabbit hole of convolution. I'm not saying they are or aren't legitimate, but we don't even know the context of what they are trying to say, or what they are counting.

There's a gigantic Rudy Gobert halo that also needs to be considered. Anyone who plays with him is getting boosts in a lot of ways that are and aren't accounted for with statistics.
 
What some claim about Exum being on a short lease is just false. Quin specializes in player development and if he deemed necessary to pull out Exum I’m sure it was for a good reason.
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Snyder hasn't developed anybody on the Jazz , he didn't make Gobert 7'1 with the longest reach in the NBA and develop his attitude. He whole heartedly played the Diaws, JJ, Mack then develop his young players. Sacramento is a team of young players and are playing ,that's development by playing them on the court .Last I looked they were doing better than the Jazz .
 
MVP said:
Dante is quick, but do not try to sell his athleticism. He is average athlete at best, weak and with beyond average vertical jumping ability.
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Kinda disagree here, I think that power drive he had on the Knicks (Mudiay?) showed that he's not all that weak, he just has little to no idea on how to use that strength effectively. He's not strong by any sense of the word but I'm hesitant to call him weak.
 
Sandman822 said:
Kinda disagree here, I think that power drive he had on the Knicks (Mudiay?) showed that he's not all that weak, he just has little to no idea on how to use that strength effectively. He's not strong by any sense of the word but I'm hesitant to call him weak.
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OK lets say his is average in strength. Have you seen anybody else land on the floor after little contact during drives to the basket as much as Dante? He is pretty much knocked on the floor 9 out of 10 layup attempts. Is this weakness or lack of coordination? Coordination is part of overall athleticism as well and Dante sometimes looks like uncoordinated muppet doll.
 
MVP said:
Dante is quick, but do not try to sell his athleticism. He is average athlete at best, weak and with beyond average vertical jumping ability.
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Dante's speed and length is such that he has a notable advantage over most NBA players. That's all I was saying. Kyle Korver even recently said that he hasn't seen very many players with the ability to get to the rim like Dante. It's a component of athleticism, but I agree that he isn't a great vertical athlete/leaper. Both things can be true. If you have a big enough advantage in one aspect of athleticism you can leverage that into a dominant skill. Tony Parker did that for years without being a great vertical athlete. Exum has that kind of athleticism with his speed and length combination.
 
MVP said:
So you cherry pick stats that are making sense for your cause but these which support what most of us are saying for years are out of context for you. Ok.
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Nope. I'm just saying that I am skeptical of stats that are so convoluted. I'm skeptical of lots of stats that are simple as well, or how they are applied even if I like them. When you are presented with these specific numbers in the tweet I doubt very many people understand how they are constructed. So I just think it's not very responsible to use them unless you understand them. Please elaborate on the details of exactly how they get the numbers if you have a grasp of it.

My first questions outside of stat definitions would all be about role. It's obvious that Dante hasn't really been playing in a traditional PG role much in his career. How does that impact the numbers? How much is Rudy (or lineups) influencing the numbers? Like I said originally they might be completely legitimate, but then again they might not. I doubt Rgiss or most anyone in this forum/our fanbase really understands these statistics outside of the creators.
 
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