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FAILED STATE said:
I just try to keep in mind what Jrue Holiday went for.

We aren’t in the game when it comes to major talent acquisition. We shot our load with Conley. We work the margins now.
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Here's what the Jazz gave up for Mike Conley: Jae Crowder, Grayson Allen, 2 1sts. Not exactly a load. Kyle Korver was added as extra salary, but he was waived.
Here's what Milwaukee gave up for Jrue Holliday: Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, 2 1sts, and 2 pick swaps. They paid a premium in picks because they needed Giannis to re-sign.

There are only a handful of teams in the league who are willing and able to take Siakam's 3 years @ $115M remaining on his contract for a 2nd-tier star player. It all depends on what the Raptors want to take back. Maybe the Pacers will give Myles Turner and change. Maybe the Hornets will give Rozier and Miles Bridges. Golden State would certainly offer Wiggins' contract.

If Toronto can get MPJ, Barton and change from Denver, they should take that deal, but who knows if Denver will offer it.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Here's what the Jazz gave up for Mike Conley: Jae Crowder, Grayson Allen, 2 1sts. Not exactly a load. Kyle Korver was added as extra salary.
Here's what Milwaukee gave up for Jrue Holliday: Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, 2 1sts, and 2 pick swaps. They paid a premium in picks because they needed Giannis to re-sign.

There are only a handful of teams in the league who are willing and able to take Siakam's 3 years @ $115M remaining on his contract for a 2nd-tier star player. It all depends on what the Raptors want to take back. Maybe the Pacers will give Myles Turner and change. Maybe the Hornets will give Rozier and Miles Bridges. Golden State would certainly offer Wiggins' contract.

If Toronto can get MPJ, Barton and change from Denver, they should take that deal, but who knows if Denver will offer it.
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-A useful full-MLE player that we immediately missed (and could still use)
-three firsts (if you count Grayson, which I do)
-the opportunity cost of carrying ~$34 million a year of Conley's salary
-a year in the LT.

It was a ****-load, dude. Either you're being intellectually dishonest or daft as hell.
 
NUMBERICA said:
-A useful full-MLE player that we immediately missed (and could still use)
-three firsts (if you count Grayson, which I do)
-the opportunity cost of carrying ~$34 million a year of Conley's salary
-a year in the LT.

It was a ****-load, dude. Either you're being intellectually dishonest or daft as hell.
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That really isn’t ****. The picks were going to be worthless especially when we draft players like Azubuike. Conley is an All-Star. Not sure what else you think we could have got for that package.
 
whatthe said:
I think Nance can defend the perimeter.. Just saying.
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We would barely have the salary to pull it off, and we’d have no assets to package with it. I mean, our most conservative offer is Favors and Udoka, and the FO probably isn’t pulling the trigger on that (not having any sweeteners aside).

But, interestingly, the Hollinger analysis on a Nance/Favors swap shows a -5 wins for us.
 
White Chocolate said:
That really isn’t ****. The picks were going to be worthless especially when we draft players like Azubuike. Conley is an All-Star. Not sure what else you think we could have got for that package.
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I'm not necessarily criticizing it, simply stating the fact that the Jazz burned the (vast) majority of their liquid-ish assets to acquire Conley, such that we really would have to get creative to summon anything worth a **** in a trade.

And not that you're asking, but I still wouldn't have traded all of that (again; almost everything that the Jazz COULD trade) for Conley. If it were a question as simple as players going to the highest bidder, I would've gone after Butler, Brogdon, or Harris and kept the other pieces to either build the team or make a play on the market later. I would also try not to whiff so hard in the draft.
 
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infection said:
We would barely have the salary to pull it off, and we’d have no assets to package with it. I mean, our most conservative offer is Favors and Udoka, and the FO probably isn’t pulling the trigger on that (not having any sweeteners aside).

But, interestingly, the Hollinger analysis on a Nance/Favors swap shows a -5 wins for us.
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Yet another reason the Azubuike pick was complete ***: You better hit when you reach, otherwise, it's probably good to get a player with higher perceived potential. We can go over all the eye-popping athleticism and whatever, but that didn't seem to translate into ANY noise about the kid leading up to - or on - draft night. I thought he was going to go after pick #40 based on everything I saw. And if he can't get on the court (with respect to the depth chart, not the injury), it's hard to generate buzz.

TLDR; it was a wasted asset the second the pick was made.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Here's what the Jazz gave up for Mike Conley: Jae Crowder, Grayson Allen, 2 1sts. Not exactly a load. Kyle Korver was added as extra salary.
Here's what Milwaukee gave up for Jrue Holliday: Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, 2 1sts, and 2 pick swaps. They paid a premium in picks because they needed Giannis to re-sign.

There are only a handful of teams in the league who are willing and able to take Siakam's 3 years @ $115M remaining on his contract for a 2nd-tier star player. It all depends on what the Raptors want to take back. Maybe the Pacers will give Myles Turner and change. Maybe the Hornets will give Rozier and Miles Bridges. Golden State would certainly offer Wiggins' contract.

If Toronto can get MPJ, Barton and change from Denver, they should take that deal, but who knows if Denver will offer it.
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Sum it up however you want. The point was: that was our load, and we shot it. Siakam is a total ****ing pipe dream.
 
A team trading for Siakam has to be willing to pay $35M/year for a 2nd or 3rd banana-type player. That's a big contract, and there aren't a lot of teams who would do it. A handful maybe.

When the Thunder finally traded Chris Paul, who was a proven All Star and team floor-raiser, they got Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick. I'm sure the Raptors would like the moon for Siakam, but it might not be out there for them. They're likely to hold onto him for a while, assuming he doesn't sulk and throw a fit like James Harden did when the Rockets were tearing down.
 
jom2003 said:
He's a fit on any team. can run an offense as well as operating offball. That's why i doubt those reports of Pacers making him available were true.
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Conley
Mitchell
Brogdon
O'Neal
Gobert

And bring Bojan/Ingles/Niang/Clarkson...off the bench.
 
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