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Washed Players... It’s Time To Buy Low and Pray

Handlogten's Heros

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Alright... so this season we saw several washed players magically change when their situations improved and they helped teams win at a high level this year. Guys like Tucker, Batum, Griffin.

In previous years we’ve seen CP go from “the worst contract in the league” per the owner of the Houston Rockets... then leads OKC to the playoffs and nets the Thunder so great assets... now his pouty *** is in the playoffs.

So as I thought... what other guys are out there on bad teams or that signed deals and then struggled... basically where can we buy low. Remember these names likely make you gag a little... think about grabbing CP after his last Houston year “what are you doing... he’s washed and overpaid!!!!”. “Batum????? Lolz... yeah the guy the Hornets benched is really gonna help us”. So realize the stock looks like ****... they are a couple quarterly financials away from being worthless... but.... if things change.... these guys might have something left. Not all these guys are Jazz targets per se... some are just guys a team should consider buying low on... just not us... here we go!!!!

-Eric Gordon - his deal is basically the same as Bogey’s. His last two years have been rough... he’s been hurt on and off. But... if he’s healthy he’s a great third guard that can fill in as a second fiddle. Can defend above his height but also the point guard sized guys. I think he’s the type of guard we lack.

-Eric Bledsoe - 2 years left on his deal at about 18M... last year is non-guaranteed. he had two productive seasons in Milwaukee (on both sides of the ball). He struggled in the playoffs. So he might be a third guard that takes a little bit of a back seat in the playoffs... maybe it was a little flukey though. Jrue is shooting 29% from three in the playoffs. Milwaukee is winning. Maybe it compounded because of Giannis. I think he’s likely a guy who plays 30 minutes in the regular season but toggles down to 20 minutes a game. I think his fit in NO is about as bad as you could find. So the ****** year he had was completely predictable.

Davis Bertans- got a huge contract... came into camp out of shape. May have a long term knee issue (there is a long term issue but can’t remember exactly what it is). I’m sure Wiz would love a redo there... he may bounce back... this one is for @infection

Kemba - OKC already bought low once. He could likely be had for nothing... his contract is scary given the lingering knee issue. Maybe he’s cooked... maybe you get him and he bounces back. This one isn’t one for the Jazz imo...too small even if he’s healthy.

Kevin Love- not a fan... everyone kinda knows the deal here... maybe he has a renaissance outside of Cleveland.

Others I’d consider... Kuzma, Josh Richardson... prolly some other dudes.

Here is the type of deal I’m thinking... you move Bojan and #30 for Bledsoe and #10... NO may do it to get the shooting they desperately need... they have lots of young guys that need time so another lotto pick may not be ideal.

We flip #10 and Favs for Dort and Kenrich Williams. Not sure OKC is interested in another pick this year... might be more appealing for us to send a future unprotected pick... maybe they want both... but I think this deal is in the ballpark and they may have a deal to package picks and move up.

So now do we keep Bledsoe? Well maybe... if we think Mike is leaving we keep him. I might consider keeping him even if Mike stays and use him off the bench. BUT if we are keeping Mike and don’t want to talk Bledsoe into a bench role... you then flip Bledsoe for Gordon. He essentially has one less year on his deal which Tillman would love... we might be able to pick up a couple seconds for our trouble (I’d ask for Tate but they likely tell me to go to hell).

So you end up with:

Mike
Don
Dort
Royce
Rudy

With JC, Joe, Gordon, Williams and a vet minimum center or Udoka as backup. You have more depth and more flexibility and more perimeter defense. You will have injuries but now we have depth to fill in those injuries and manage the regular season. You have also cleared enough dough to go use the taxpayer MLE without Smith getting a second mortgage on the Viv.

Anywell... time to go dumpster diving!
 
We go to all the trouble of trading up for the No. 10 pick and then we flip it for Lu Dort? Yeah, it’s a no from me, dog.

I’d just keep 30 and draft Thor or Murphy, or Herb Jones if the other two are gone. Buy a second and draft Marcus Garrett or some other intriguing young athletic, versatile player.
 
Why is Bertans my guy? In any case, I think you could get some real value out of him because we haven’t had a true Korver-like threat guy since Korver. And before him the last one was Korver. He’d change the defense a lot more than Niang, even if they’re shooting the same percentage. I’d have to look at his contract.

Anyway, most of my buy low guys are free agents (or should be). I’ll have to look at the list of guys under contract, but here’s my preliminary list:

Dwight Howard.
Kevin Love (after buyout).
Dwight Howard. Kevin Love (after buyout).
 
infection said:
Why is Bertans my guy? In any case, I think you could get some real value out of him because we haven’t had a true Korver-like threat guy since Korver. And before him the last one was Korver. He’d change the defense a lot more than Niang, even if they’re shooting the same percentage. I’d have to look at his contract.

Anyway, most of my buy low guys are free agents (or should be). I’ll have to look at the list of guys under contract, but here’s my preliminary list:

Dwight Howard.
Kevin Love (after buyout).
Dwight Howard. Kevin Love (after buyout).
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He was your favorite trade target a year and a half ago or so.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
We go to all the trouble of trading up for the No. 10 pick and then we flip it for Lu Dort? Yeah, it’s a no from me, dog.

I’d just keep 30 and draft Thor or Murphy, or Herb Jones if the other two are gone. Buy a second and draft Marcus Garrett or some other intriguing young athletic, versatile player.
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We can go ahead and assume that these guys will be better than Dort was last year or in the bubble but it won’t be true. Dort is rare because he’s a young player that can help us win now... also young and may develop into something more. If Dort was in this draft and we know what we know now about him... I doubt he lasts 10 picks.
 
infection said:
Nah. I mean, there are things I like about him but I don’t believe I’ve ever suggested a trade.
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Look you love him okay... you don’t Niko love him but you loved him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Look you love him okay... you don’t Niko love him but you loved him.
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I tried running a search on this. Archie said he was called the white Durant and I said he’d be lucky to be the Latvian Wang Zhizhi.

That said, I did like Wang Zhizhi
 
Looks like I also said that if he shaved his head he could pass for Billy Corgan.
 
Geez. Looks like I mentioned him in 2011. I didn't even know he existed back then. But I do take it back. I have suggested a Bertans trade. It was:

infection said:
Here’s a trade thought...

Exum
Bradley
Favors

For

Mills
Bertans
Bellinelli

This variation may be unpopular, but sub Bertans for Gasol and add Thabo. Gasol adding spacing off the bench would be interesting. Would also be interesting pairing him with Gobert for a few minutes... better spacing, plus exploit the hell out of any mismatch when a small PF is guarding either of Gobert or Gasol.
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Pretty stupid that we never pulled the trigger on that.
 
I need to go find the thread where I suggested dealing a few second round picks for Gordon/Tucker. It would be a hilarious read.
 
Rudy Gay should be on this list. He’s already been called washed by JF. That means he is guaranteed to be a contributor for a playoff team next year.
 
White Chocolate said:
Rudy Gay should be on this list. He’s already been called washed by JF. That means he is guaranteed to be a contributor for a playoff team next year.
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I was focused on guys under contract... I like Rudy Gay for us a lot... have for a while... I think he’s a value buy but not a buy low of that makes sense. He’s been good the last couple years.
 
infection said:
I tried running a search on this. Archie said he was called the white Durant and I said he’d be lucky to be the Latvian Wang Zhizhi.

That said, I did like Wang Zhizhi
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Maybe I’m off then. I must have misremembered... the year he was headed into free agency I thought you wanted him.
 
We need to shift away from fancy stats guys and start going after enforcers/energy players. Guys whose main contribution don't show up on stat sheets.

Like when guys like Bojan/Niang/JC aren't making shots, what are they good for? They aren't chasing after loose balls, getting deflections, setting hard screens, taking charges, boxing out for rebounds, or even attempting to stay in front of their guys/slowing them down.

There was that one time in the Bucks/Nets series where PJ Tucker let KD score on him on five consecutive possessions, that's good for 0steal/0block on stat sheet. But at the same time, he's making KD work to earn those points so on the sixth possession, KD is all gassed and worn out so he had to pass it up to someone else like Bruce Brown. And stuff like that is how you wear out your opponents and grind out Ws in playoffs, where games are being played in quick succession.

Getting more guys who can play fill-in minutes in the rotation is one. Getting enforcers who can help you wear out your opponents is another, Two keys to playoffs success that this Jazz team is missing right now.
 
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Enforcers: RHJ, DJJ, GRIII, OPJ, Looney, Josh Hart, Josh Okogie,

End of bench options: Bjelica, Austin Rivers, Sterling Brown, Avery Bradley, Patty Mills, Dieng, Doug McDermott
 
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