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I get what you're saying and I don't necessarily disagree. I just want to point out that it's probably easier finding a respectable 3&D wing than it is to find a respectable 3&D big. In other words; you might be able to have some version of both if you can grab the 3&D big because the Jazz are already hunting another 3&D wing (and they need to be able to assure them a role and minutes, BTW).

I think people are starting to really take what the Jazz were able to do offensively last year for granted. You get rid of Bogey and that's a fundamentally different attack on offense. You don't just go out and find players of Bogey's complexion off the scrap heap, and I don't know what to tell you if you see a poor-man's Bojan in Niang.

Royce is so important because he does big-man things that we need because we can't find a big that can space the floor and can play defense at the same time. It's not quite that simple but it's more simple than suggesting that we'll just up and replace a great off-ball scorer at 6' 8" that can exploit mismatches in the post. Or that we'll just up and drop the dude that has been the glue of the team for the past 5 years.

Of all of the players, Clarkson and Royce are the least special, and I wouldn't swap them out for something unless they were rarer types than they are. Nance seems to fit that bill.

I think a player like Nance is maybe more rare, but 3&D wings are still at a much higher premium IMO. It's so essential to have good 3&D wings which is Royce is so important to the rotation despite just being above average at both. I do wonder how much better of a perimeter defender and shooter he is than Nance. I think it's probably pretty close. I've also had some thoughts wondering just how much Royce is propped up by this team...but trading him just isn't an option for me. I don't like trading guys if you immediately need someone exactly like him. It's not easy to find 3&D wings. Everyone in the league wants them.

I'm not sure if we remove Bogey it's that much different of attack. I think that Bogey's presence is felt most when we have someone else out. It's not necessarily his fault, but he does get squeezed when everyone is healthy. If it's not him, it's someone else. Obviously there was the wrist injury, but I don't think it's a surprise that he wasn't able to take off last season until we saw some injuries to Mitchell, Conley, ect. When everyone is healthy, someone is either relegated to standing in the corner or they are awkwardly forcing their touches/shots and breaking the offense to do so.

Bogey has had his moments when his post game and individual scoring ability has got us wins, but he's also had his moments where he's killing the flow, forcing things, and giving the other team easy pick 6's. His skillset is additive, but when Mitchell, Conley, Clarkson, Ingles ect are all healthy there are some diminishing returns. It's great insurance for when one of those guys are out, but to if we're going to win everyone has got to be healthy and we've got to address the massive holes on this roster somehow.

If you told me should move Clarkson instead I wouldn't mind it either. That solves the problem too. I just think one of Bogey/Clarkson should go. Having two players who only provide scoring is a luxury that we can't afford. Just doesn't seem like a Clarkson trade is even a consideration, however, and he's getting paid a lot less than Bogey.
 
Just guessing but I think at this point Jazz may keep their core together
They did a lot they needed to do
They traded Favors, they got Butler who they wanted, looks like they sign Conley at a
somewhat reasonable contract
Now they may need to get Udoka and Hughes ready to play
Next they need to sign a couple vets to fill some needs
They are no longer at code red and have some options
 
There were reports at last years trade deadline that the Cavs turned down offers for Nance that included multiple 1st round picks. I seriously doubt we have the assets to acquire him. You'd likely need to offer an expiring contract and a couple of 1st round picks, and they may even turn that down.

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/03/06/raptors-insane-price-larry-nance-jr-cavaliers/
I couldn’t tell you their motivations for them leaking that he’s on the market because they shouldn’t really be looking. But they’re the Cavs? IDK, sometimes weird **** happens.

If I had to venture a guess, they realize that they also have no particular reason for holding onto him and might regret passing on some offers, so now they’re trying to get something like a bidding war going. But I don’t know. The Cavs are a disaster.
 
There were reports at last years trade deadline that the Cavs turned down offers for Nance that included multiple 1st round picks. I seriously doubt we have the assets to acquire him. You'd likely need to offer an expiring contract and a couple of 1st round picks, and they may even turn that down.

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/03/06/raptors-insane-price-larry-nance-jr-cavaliers/

It does seem hard to believe, but maybe things have changed with Mobley? They also have Love and are about to pay Allen. They do need to get out of this log jam but if I were them I wouldn't do it by dumping Nance.

I would agree with the notion that he's a positive asset, not negative on his contract.
 
I couldn’t tell you their motivations for them leaking that he’s on the market because they shouldn’t really be looking. But they’re the Cavs? IDK, sometimes weird **** happens.

If I had to venture a guess, they realize that they also have no particular reason for holding onto him and might regret passing on some offers, so now they’re trying to get something like a bidding war going. But I don’t know. The Cavs are a disaster.

If I was the Cav's I would hang onto him until the trade deadline. I think teams are more desperate at the deadline than in the offseason and are willing to pay more.
 
Apparently the Bulls are looking to move Sato and Thad to get space to sign Lonzo. Thad was really good last season, but he was doing it as a roll man next to a stretch 5. Would be a similar addition to Nance defensively.
 
Can we attach players or picks to a TPE in a trade?


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You can send picks, but a team can only absorb a contract at or below the value of the TPE and cannot be packaged with another player to bring in a player whose contract is larger than the TPE.

Kinda hoping that the trade with OKC totally consummated so the Jazz can go back and look at making it a three team deal. Sending out Favors (to whoever) and receiving Nance should've been sufficiently salary-matched. But it sounds like it's consummated, and this whole thing is probably pipe dreaming.
 
Just guessing but I think at this point Jazz may keep their core together
They did a lot they needed to do
They traded Favors, they got Butler who they wanted, looks like they sign Conley at a
somewhat reasonable contract
Now they may need to get Udoka and Hughes ready to play
Next they need to sign a couple vets to fill some needs
They are no longer at code red and have some options
I am excited about Butler, but the Jazz haven’t done a single thing yet to address the perimeter defense problem. I’ll feel much better when somebody between 6’5 and 6’9 is added that can guard 3s and 4s.
 
Brantley is a little surprising given he rarely got any burn in his first 2 seasons.

Brantley was stuck in the rotation behind Niang. Now that the Jazz have seen what Niang looks like against the Clippers and the fact that he's a FA, Brantley may have a shot to make the 15-man rotation. It might be close though.
 
How much are their qualifying offers? If I were Brantley I’d hurry and sign to get that payday after being on two-way.
 
Apparently the Bulls are looking to move Sato and Thad to get space to sign Lonzo. Thad was really good last season, but he was doing it as a roll man next to a stretch 5. Would be a similar addition to Nance defensively.
Thad is a guy I wanted last year and I basically stayed this is how i would use him… some folks scoffed… not gonna dig up the receipts. The stretch 5 had nothing to do with it. He was already being used this way before Vucevic got there. His splits pre AS break are basically identical. He’d be great.
 
How much are their qualifying offers? If I were Brantley I’d hurry and sign to get that payday after being on two-way.
I think qualifying offers on two way guys might be smaller but I’m not sure.
 
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